The Album Review Club - Week #171 (page 2303) - Before the Fire - Rival Sons

I've already made a few points and I also agree with some of Belfry's musings on this so I'm going to keep it brief.

I can see how if her vocals do your head in that this is going to be a difficult listen but despite often being picky on this front I have never really had an issue with hers. She has her own distinct voice that I'm fine with. Lyrically I think that though at times she comes off as pretty gauche at other times she quite insightful and occasionally poignant which isn't a bad effort for a 19 year old or whatever she was. She can write a vocal hook too but I think what endears this most to me, is that for both good and for bad it feels like we are hearing her authentic self, which is reflected in the fact that even with the less successful songs there's very little that feels like filler to just get the album out.

7.5/10
 
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I can't deny that the hooks are, well, hooking me in a bit and this was a decent listen as I've been driving around. I put it on on Saturday during a shopping trip and felt obliged to explain to my partner that it was an obligation to listen to it although by that point is didn't feel too much of an obligation.
I'm glad I'm not the only one on that, though I got a pretty leery eye on Sleep Token.
Now, Ironic. We've all agreed that what she lists is a number of things that go from mildly annoying or inconvenient to well, pretty devastating (your first ever plane trip crashing? Isn't it...). Ironically though, I think, someone will tell me if it isn't I'm sure (although the grammar and meaning police are much more active on other threads) this Saturday is my wedding day, at a venue that offers the opportuntiy, weather permitting for an outdor ceremony. If it rains I'll not be ruefully thinking it's ironic. Or will I?

It's taken 30 years and a battle with cancer (won for now) for us to decide to get married. Too late to change the song she is walking down the aisle to but we are putting a playlist together for the day. Plenty of big girl's blouse stuff already on it, ironically, but I might just sneak a bit of Alanis on as well, just to get us off on the right foot and show her who is boss!
Ironically, I will be at a wedding this Saturday of a good friend's daughter, so I'll be sure to toast both your good health and great news as well. Sincere congrats!
 
I expected not to like this, it was almost predetermined and of course like everyone else I was familiar with a lot of it despite never once in my life consciously choosing to listen to her. First listen didn't do anything to shift that perception. It's only fair to persevere though and I have to say that even as early as the second listen it started to get under my skin and instead of being irritated by the vocal affectations I was tuning into them. So much so that the parts of songs where she seemed to be playing it straight (the beginning of Perfect for example) were the least inspiring.

Interesting to note the comparisons that have been made with the recent pick of Aimee Mann. Where I and others found her a little too polite and ladylike to affect an "attitude" Alanis has it in spades and is all the better for it. When it comes to vocal gymnastics I really shouldn't criticise considering I had nominated Aldous Harding earlier in the history of this thread, a singer who rarely affects the same voice twice. Just checked and as it happens Aldous is two places and .04 of a score behind Aimee with the same number of votes.

Alansi Morrisette's vocal tics are less varied than Aldous Harding's but then the material and subject is also more of a consistent style.

I can't deny that the hooks are, well, hooking me in a bit and this was a decent listen as I've been driving around. I put it on on Saturday during a shopping trip and felt obliged to explain to my partner that it was an obligation to listen to it although by that point is didn't feel too much of an obligation. I'm not really sure why her response was to suggest that she knew it must be the case, eihter that or I'd turned into a "big girl's blouse" whatever that means. Looks like this might have to be a guilty pleasure, either that or I play it a few times (we have got a lot of driving coming up) until it gets under her skin too.

Scoring wise what might have been a 5 based on preconceptions has gone through the gears a little bit, past six and yesterday I was edging beyond 6.5 and wondering if I could give a quarter mark. That would be silly though and would also under score it. So 7 seems reasonable despite the album tailing off towards the end, Not The Doctor and Wake Up not really settling with me as well as the rest, including of course the songs that have had plenty of years to plant their seed.

Now, Ironic. We've all agreed that what she lists is a number of things that go from mildly annoying or inconvenient to well, pretty devastating (your first ever plane trip crashing? Isn't it...). Ironically though, I think, someone will tell me if it isn't I'm sure (although the grammar and meaning police are much more active on other threads) this Saturday is my wedding day, at a venue that offers the opportuntiy, weather permitting for an outdor ceremony. If it rains I'll not be ruefully thinking it's ironic. Or will I?

It's taken 30 years and a battle with cancer (won for now) for us to decide to get married. Too late to change the song she is walking down the aisle to but we are putting a playlist together for the day. Plenty of big girl's blouse stuff already on it, ironically, but I might just sneak a bit of Alanis on as well, just to get us off on the right foot and show her who is boss!
Have a wonderful day and I hope the sun shines for you both. I must be a big girls blouse by nominating this. Never mind. I have been called worse :-)
 
I expected not to like this, it was almost predetermined and of course like everyone else I was familiar with a lot of it despite never once in my life consciously choosing to listen to her. First listen didn't do anything to shift that perception. It's only fair to persevere though and I have to say that even as early as the second listen it started to get under my skin and instead of being irritated by the vocal affectations I was tuning into them. So much so that the parts of songs where she seemed to be playing it straight (the beginning of Perfect for example) were the least inspiring.

Interesting to note the comparisons that have been made with the recent pick of Aimee Mann. Where I and others found her a little too polite and ladylike to affect an "attitude" Alanis has it in spades and is all the better for it. When it comes to vocal gymnastics I really shouldn't criticise considering I had nominated Aldous Harding earlier in the history of this thread, a singer who rarely affects the same voice twice. Just checked and as it happens Aldous is two places and .04 of a score behind Aimee with the same number of votes.

Alansi Morrisette's vocal tics are less varied than Aldous Harding's but then the material and subject is also more of a consistent style.

I can't deny that the hooks are, well, hooking me in a bit and this was a decent listen as I've been driving around. I put it on on Saturday during a shopping trip and felt obliged to explain to my partner that it was an obligation to listen to it although by that point is didn't feel too much of an obligation. I'm not really sure why her response was to suggest that she knew it must be the case, eihter that or I'd turned into a "big girl's blouse" whatever that means. Looks like this might have to be a guilty pleasure, either that or I play it a few times (we have got a lot of driving coming up) until it gets under her skin too.

Scoring wise what might have been a 5 based on preconceptions has gone through the gears a little bit, past six and yesterday I was edging beyond 6.5 and wondering if I could give a quarter mark. That would be silly though and would also under score it. So 7 seems reasonable despite the album tailing off towards the end, Not The Doctor and Wake Up not really settling with me as well as the rest, including of course the songs that have had plenty of years to plant their seed.

Now, Ironic. We've all agreed that what she lists is a number of things that go from mildly annoying or inconvenient to well, pretty devastating (your first ever plane trip crashing? Isn't it...). Ironically though, I think, someone will tell me if it isn't I'm sure (although the grammar and meaning police are much more active on other threads) this Saturday is my wedding day, at a venue that offers the opportuntiy, weather permitting for an outdor ceremony. If it rains I'll not be ruefully thinking it's ironic. Or will I?

It's taken 30 years and a battle with cancer (won for now) for us to decide to get married. Too late to change the song she is walking down the aisle to but we are putting a playlist together for the day. Plenty of big girl's blouse stuff already on it, ironically, but I might just sneak a bit of Alanis on as well, just to get us off on the right foot and show her who is boss!
Now if you’ve booked a hotel that has an indoor venue and an outdoor, to cater for all weathers and it start pissing down halfway through the cocktails outside and you all retreat indoors to find the roof is leaking anyway…….
Well that would be ironic.

Enjoy your day and give all the best to your missus from BlueMoon.
 
I’ve really struggled with this record’s reputation, as while I hear the hooks all too clearly, it’s much harder to hear the “revolutionary force” top hat “Jagged Little Pill” has worn for thirty years. And that isn’t because the mid-90s production has aged – to me, many of these songs still sound as good as they did when I first heard them. It’s not because Alanis sometimes veers into a caterwaul – I find her voice quite distinct, and unique (though not charming nor emotionally-impactful). I think the problem is that she’s 19, and while producer and co-writer Glen Ballard said she was a very smart 19, and knew quite specifically what she didn’t want her music to sound like, I think her songs overstep her personal experience bounds. I, for example, simply don’t believe she went down on a guy in a theater, or that the revelation that Catholicism is a cult is that impactful to anyone over the age of 21.

All this aside, I enjoyed JLP top-to-bottom, however suspicious I am of her inspiration or however much I smirk a bit at her attempts to convey defiance. That’s because on so many songs, she and the guitars and drum machine that accompany her display confidence in their approach. Whether it was AM herself or GB, they knew they had something, the same way Vanessa Carlton’s mom knew she had something when her daughter first played the piano riff of “A Thousand Miles” on their home piano some years later. It’s just that they’re both professionals, and good, and they had a LOT of somethings.

There isn’t a song on here I disliked, though a few were derivative and more of their time. Do we call “Forgiven” or “Right Through You” songs by Gearl Jam, for instance? In other places, I wrestled with the irony problem again, not just on “Ironic”, but on “Perfect” – does Alanis sing the song so imperfectly as a commentary on the lyrics which decry parental (or other) expectations of young people? Or can she simply not carry a tune with such a slow meter?

But there’s way more good stuff than bad. I mentioned I heard two songs I thought should have been singles vs. those that were released but overreached as I didn’t realiz(s)e “All I Really Want” actually was released as a single. That guitar riff is tasty and Alanis’ vocal intonations scattered all over the wind is a terrific opener. The other song I really liked was “Not The Doctor” with its very firm declaration of independence and/or separation, and the grungy quiet/loud dynamics (all over the record generally) especially effective. I prefer these tunes to both “You Learn” (I like her recommendations, but not her pat, simplistic conclusion) and “Head Over Feet” which were released as singles.

I did say earlier that there is one truly great, great song on this record, and reading the posts before, I don't think anyone aside from our nominator @Saddleworth2 mentioned it. And that song is “Hand In My Pocket”. I love it because it doesn’t sound like it was written let alone produced in the mid-90s. It’s timeless. It's a simple, pleasant riff that then transitions to what I think is a wonderful bit (right before “And what it all comes down to . . .”) via a great set of hooky chord changes. Check out some of the cover versions of this on YouTube done in a wide variety of styles by women-fronted and men-fronted bands, done as a country tune, as a power chord tune, as a single acoustic artist. It works across genres. I love because it lays out a long list of very real contradictions in young people at age 19, and some of them are especially clever, especially in third verse:

I'm free, but I'm focused / I’m green, but I’m wise / I’m hard, but I’m friendly, baby
I'm sad, but I'm laughing / I'm brave, but I'm chickenshit / I’m sick, but I’m pretty, baby

I touched on this in my very first nomination here – The Replacements’ “Let It Be”. The inherent struggle with contradictions and not knowing how or what direction to go as one moves from youth to adulthood is one of my (and many artists’) favo(u)rite topics in pop music. And here she is laying it bare, with a wonderfully honest and optimistic message (no one’s got it “all figured out” and that’s “fine, fine, fine”). This – to me – is the REAL Alanis – not the jilted sexpot, not the naïve philosopher. And she and Glen wrote this song in 15 minutes. That, my friends, is talent. I always liked this song, but now I absolutely love it.

Scoring this has taken me a while. I have very rarely used half point scores. For me, an 8 needs to be strong in effectively every song, while a 7 just needs the songs I don’t really like to be reasonable and not annoy me. This falls between the two as I adore “Hand In My Pocket”, very much like another half dozen, and tolerate the remainder.

I’m brave, but I’m chickenshit, true. But in this case, I’m going to be brave. 8/10.
 
I’ve really struggled with this record’s reputation, as while I hear the hooks all too clearly, it’s much harder to hear the “revolutionary force” top hat “Jagged Little Pill” has worn for thirty years. And that isn’t because the mid-90s production has aged – to me, many of these songs still sound as good as they did when I first heard them. It’s not because Alanis sometimes veers into a caterwaul – I find her voice quite distinct, and unique (though not charming nor emotionally-impactful). I think the problem is that she’s 19, and while producer and co-writer Glen Ballard said she was a very smart 19, and knew quite specifically what she didn’t want her music to sound like, I think her songs overstep her personal experience bounds. I, for example, simply don’t believe she went down on a guy in a theater, or that the revelation that Catholicism is a cult is that impactful to anyone over the age of 21.

All this aside, I enjoyed JLP top-to-bottom, however suspicious I am of her inspiration or however much I smirk a bit at her attempts to convey defiance. That’s because on so many songs, she and the guitars and drum machine that accompany her display confidence in their approach. Whether it was AM herself or GB, they knew they had something, the same way Vanessa Carlton’s mom knew she had something when her daughter first played the piano riff of “A Thousand Miles” on their home piano some years later. It’s just that they’re both professionals, and good, and they had a LOT of somethings.

There isn’t a song on here I disliked, though a few were derivative and more of their time. Do we call “Forgiven” or “Right Through You” songs by Gearl Jam, for instance? In other places, I wrestled with the irony problem again, not just on “Ironic”, but on “Perfect” – does Alanis sing the song so imperfectly as a commentary on the lyrics which decry parental (or other) expectations of young people? Or can she simply not carry a tune with such a slow meter?

But there’s way more good stuff than bad. I mentioned I heard two songs I thought should have been singles vs. those that were released but overreached as I didn’t realiz(s)e “All I Really Want” actually was released as a single. That guitar riff is tasty and Alanis’ vocal intonations scattered all over the wind is a terrific opener. The other song I really liked was “Not The Doctor” with its very firm declaration of independence and/or separation, and the grungy quiet/loud dynamics (all over the record generally) especially effective. I prefer these tunes to both “You Learn” (I like her recommendations, but not her pat, simplistic conclusion) and “Head Over Feet” which were released as singles.

I did say earlier that there is one truly great, great song on this record, and reading the posts before, I don't think anyone aside from our nominator @Saddleworth2 mentioned it. And that song is “Hand In My Pocket”. I love it because it doesn’t sound like it was written let alone produced in the mid-90s. It’s timeless. It's a simple, pleasant riff that then transitions to what I think is a wonderful bit (right before “And what it all comes down to . . .”) via a great set of hooky chord changes. Check out some of the cover versions of this on YouTube done in a wide variety of styles by women-fronted and men-fronted bands, done as a country tune, as a power chord tune, as a single acoustic artist. It works across genres. I love because it lays out a long list of very real contradictions in young people at age 19, and some of them are especially clever, especially in third verse:

I'm free, but I'm focused / I’m green, but I’m wise / I’m hard, but I’m friendly, baby
I'm sad, but I'm laughing / I'm brave, but I'm chickenshit / I’m sick, but I’m pretty, baby

I touched on this in my very first nomination here – The Replacements’ “Let It Be”. The inherent struggle with contradictions and not knowing how or what direction to go as one moves from youth to adulthood is one of my (and many artists’) favo(u)rite topics in pop music. And here she is laying it bare, with a wonderfully honest and optimistic message (no one’s got it “all figured out” and that’s “fine, fine, fine”). This – to me – is the REAL Alanis – not the jilted sexpot, not the naïve philosopher. And she and Glen wrote this song in 15 minutes. That, my friends, is talent. I always liked this song, but now I absolutely love it.

Scoring this has taken me a while. I have very rarely used half point scores. For me, an 8 needs to be strong in effectively every song, while a 7 just needs the songs I don’t really like to be reasonable and not annoy me. This falls between the two as I adore “Hand In My Pocket”, very much like another half dozen, and tolerate the remainder.

I’m brave, but I’m chickenshit, true. But in this case, I’m going to be brave. 8/10.
Ahem!
I think I called Hand in pocket, my favourite.

Just saying.
 
I did say earlier that there is one truly great, great song on this record, and reading the posts before, I don't think anyone aside from our nominator @Saddleworth2 mentioned it. And that song is “Hand In My Pocket”. I love it because it doesn’t sound like it was written let alone produced in the mid-90s. It’s timeless. It's a simple, pleasant riff that then transitions to what I think is a wonderful bit (right before “And what it all comes down to . . .”) via a great set of hooky chord changes. Check out some of the cover versions of this on YouTube done in a wide variety of styles by women-fronted and men-fronted bands, done as a country tune, as a power chord tune, as a single acoustic artist. It works across genres. I love because it lays out a long list of very real contradictions in young people at age 19, and some of them are especially clever, especially in third verse:

I'm free, but I'm focused / I’m green, but I’m wise / I’m hard, but I’m friendly, baby
I'm sad, but I'm laughing / I'm brave, but I'm chickenshit / I’m sick, but I’m pretty, baby
I incorrectly assumed the one great song wouldn't have been one of her popular singles lost in the speed reading of 15 pages of catch-up over the weekend.

Kudos to you for liking it, not my cup of tea, and I'll take my non-British enjoyment rating of CotC over this selection too. ;-)
 
I’ve really struggled with this record’s reputation, as while I hear the hooks all too clearly, it’s much harder to hear the “revolutionary force” top hat “Jagged Little Pill” has worn for thirty years. And that isn’t because the mid-90s production has aged – to me, many of these songs still sound as good as they did when I first heard them. It’s not because Alanis sometimes veers into a caterwaul – I find her voice quite distinct, and unique (though not charming nor emotionally-impactful). I think the problem is that she’s 19, and while producer and co-writer Glen Ballard said she was a very smart 19, and knew quite specifically what she didn’t want her music to sound like, I think her songs overstep her personal experience bounds. I, for example, simply don’t believe she went down on a guy in a theater, or that the revelation that Catholicism is a cult is that impactful to anyone over the age of 21.

All this aside, I enjoyed JLP top-to-bottom, however suspicious I am of her inspiration or however much I smirk a bit at her attempts to convey defiance. That’s because on so many songs, she and the guitars and drum machine that accompany her display confidence in their approach. Whether it was AM herself or GB, they knew they had something, the same way Vanessa Carlton’s mom knew she had something when her daughter first played the piano riff of “A Thousand Miles” on their home piano some years later. It’s just that they’re both professionals, and good, and they had a LOT of somethings.

There isn’t a song on here I disliked, though a few were derivative and more of their time. Do we call “Forgiven” or “Right Through You” songs by Gearl Jam, for instance? In other places, I wrestled with the irony problem again, not just on “Ironic”, but on “Perfect” – does Alanis sing the song so imperfectly as a commentary on the lyrics which decry parental (or other) expectations of young people? Or can she simply not carry a tune with such a slow meter?

But there’s way more good stuff than bad. I mentioned I heard two songs I thought should have been singles vs. those that were released but overreached as I didn’t realiz(s)e “All I Really Want” actually was released as a single. That guitar riff is tasty and Alanis’ vocal intonations scattered all over the wind is a terrific opener. The other song I really liked was “Not The Doctor” with its very firm declaration of independence and/or separation, and the grungy quiet/loud dynamics (all over the record generally) especially effective. I prefer these tunes to both “You Learn” (I like her recommendations, but not her pat, simplistic conclusion) and “Head Over Feet” which were released as singles.

I did say earlier that there is one truly great, great song on this record, and reading the posts before, I don't think anyone aside from our nominator @Saddleworth2 mentioned it. And that song is “Hand In My Pocket”. I love it because it doesn’t sound like it was written let alone produced in the mid-90s. It’s timeless. It's a simple, pleasant riff that then transitions to what I think is a wonderful bit (right before “And what it all comes down to . . .”) via a great set of hooky chord changes. Check out some of the cover versions of this on YouTube done in a wide variety of styles by women-fronted and men-fronted bands, done as a country tune, as a power chord tune, as a single acoustic artist. It works across genres. I love because it lays out a long list of very real contradictions in young people at age 19, and some of them are especially clever, especially in third verse:

I'm free, but I'm focused / I’m green, but I’m wise / I’m hard, but I’m friendly, baby
I'm sad, but I'm laughing / I'm brave, but I'm chickenshit / I’m sick, but I’m pretty, baby

I touched on this in my very first nomination here – The Replacements’ “Let It Be”. The inherent struggle with contradictions and not knowing how or what direction to go as one moves from youth to adulthood is one of my (and many artists’) favo(u)rite topics in pop music. And here she is laying it bare, with a wonderfully honest and optimistic message (no one’s got it “all figured out” and that’s “fine, fine, fine”). This – to me – is the REAL Alanis – not the jilted sexpot, not the naïve philosopher. And she and Glen wrote this song in 15 minutes. That, my friends, is talent. I always liked this song, but now I absolutely love it.

Scoring this has taken me a while. I have very rarely used half point scores. For me, an 8 needs to be strong in effectively every song, while a 7 just needs the songs I don’t really like to be reasonable and not annoy me. This falls between the two as I adore “Hand In My Pocket”, very much like another half dozen, and tolerate the remainder.

I’m brave, but I’m chickenshit, true. But in this case, I’m going to be brave. 8/10.
A fine, thoughtful review. Hand in Pocket has strong lyrics and I totally believe it was dashed off in short time. It has that effortless one take feel about it and Ballard said that she just wrote what she felt.
It did put me off though when I saw her do it live and the audience mimed the last line of every chorus (giving a high five, flicking a cigarette, hailing a taxi cab). Jeez.

Anyway, one or two people had a bit of a giggle about the phrase rhyme juxtaposition that I used in the original write up of this song. To explain:

The chorus of "Hand in My Pocket" utilized a poetry technique, "rhyme juxtaposition" (utilized by authors such as Lewis Carroll and musicians such as Bob Dylan and John Lennon), as its primary lyrical structure, as exemplified by the off-set coupling of the first and second stanzas of each chorus. In the first chorus for example, "fine, fine, fine" is coupled with "a high five", when it should, according to traditional rhyming schemes, be instead set against the "a peace sign" which closes the third chorus, and which is in turn, coupled with a first line ending with the phrase, "a cigarette", which is a clear rhyme with the end of the second chorus: "out just yet". While Morissette does not carry the scheme consistently throughout the song (there are, for instance, no rhymes for "hailing a taxicab" or "playing the piano"), it is, nonetheless, a fairly sophisticated literary device.

Of course all that was obvious to me without having to look it up ;-)

Thanks to everyone that contributed to this. The album thread was set up to debate the merits and demerits of music and I feel that there was some really thoughtful stuff, both pros and cons. Over 20 pages of it.
 
I expected not to like this, it was almost predetermined and of course like everyone else I was familiar with a lot of it despite never once in my life consciously choosing to listen to her. First listen didn't do anything to shift that perception. It's only fair to persevere though and I have to say that even as early as the second listen it started to get under my skin and instead of being irritated by the vocal affectations I was tuning into them. So much so that the parts of songs where she seemed to be playing it straight (the beginning of Perfect for example) were the least inspiring.

Interesting to note the comparisons that have been made with the recent pick of Aimee Mann. Where I and others found her a little too polite and ladylike to affect an "attitude" Alanis has it in spades and is all the better for it. When it comes to vocal gymnastics I really shouldn't criticise considering I had nominated Aldous Harding earlier in the history of this thread, a singer who rarely affects the same voice twice. Just checked and as it happens Aldous is two places and .04 of a score behind Aimee with the same number of votes.

Alansi Morrisette's vocal tics are less varied than Aldous Harding's but then the material and subject is also more of a consistent style.

I can't deny that the hooks are, well, hooking me in a bit and this was a decent listen as I've been driving around. I put it on on Saturday during a shopping trip and felt obliged to explain to my partner that it was an obligation to listen to it although by that point is didn't feel too much of an obligation. I'm not really sure why her response was to suggest that she knew it must be the case, eihter that or I'd turned into a "big girl's blouse" whatever that means. Looks like this might have to be a guilty pleasure, either that or I play it a few times (we have got a lot of driving coming up) until it gets under her skin too.

Scoring wise what might have been a 5 based on preconceptions has gone through the gears a little bit, past six and yesterday I was edging beyond 6.5 and wondering if I could give a quarter mark. That would be silly though and would also under score it. So 7 seems reasonable despite the album tailing off towards the end, Not The Doctor and Wake Up not really settling with me as well as the rest, including of course the songs that have had plenty of years to plant their seed.

Now, Ironic. We've all agreed that what she lists is a number of things that go from mildly annoying or inconvenient to well, pretty devastating (your first ever plane trip crashing? Isn't it...). Ironically though, I think, someone will tell me if it isn't I'm sure (although the grammar and meaning police are much more active on other threads) this Saturday is my wedding day, at a venue that offers the opportuntiy, weather permitting for an outdor ceremony. If it rains I'll not be ruefully thinking it's ironic. Or will I?

It's taken 30 years and a battle with cancer (won for now) for us to decide to get married. Too late to change the song she is walking down the aisle to but we are putting a playlist together for the day. Plenty of big girl's blouse stuff already on it, ironically, but I might just sneak a bit of Alanis on as well, just to get us off on the right foot and show her who is boss!
Congratulations mate! Wonderful news, and a great post to boot.
 
A fine, thoughtful review. Hand in Pocket has strong lyrics and I totally believe it was dashed off in short time. It has that effortless one take feel about it and Ballard said that she just wrote what she felt.
It did put me off though when I saw her do it live and the audience mimed the last line of every chorus (giving a high five, flicking a cigarette, hailing a taxi cab). Jeez.

Anyway, one or two people had a bit of a giggle about the phrase rhyme juxtaposition that I used in the original write up of this song. To explain:

The chorus of "Hand in My Pocket" utilized a poetry technique, "rhyme juxtaposition" (utilized by authors such as Lewis Carroll and musicians such as Bob Dylan and John Lennon), as its primary lyrical structure, as exemplified by the off-set coupling of the first and second stanzas of each chorus. In the first chorus for example, "fine, fine, fine" is coupled with "a high five", when it should, according to traditional rhyming schemes, be instead set against the "a peace sign" which closes the third chorus, and which is in turn, coupled with a first line ending with the phrase, "a cigarette", which is a clear rhyme with the end of the second chorus: "out just yet". While Morissette does not carry the scheme consistently throughout the song (there are, for instance, no rhymes for "hailing a taxicab" or "playing the piano"), it is, nonetheless, a fairly sophisticated literary device.

Of course all that was obvious to me without having to look it up ;-)

Thanks to everyone that contributed to this. The album thread was set up to debate the merits and demerits of music and I feel that there was some really thoughtful stuff, both pros and cons. Over 20 pages of it.
There is an element of "off the cuff"-ness to this record that feels a little clunky and unkempt and rushed but also reflects the headspace of a 19 year-old woman (albeit a determined, talented one with a good producer). If you read reviews of it written at the time, a number of critics called that out -- but now that's seen as winning and charming as opposed to a flaw. And I went back and forth trying to figure out which I thought it was. In the end, the hooks and some really great turns of phrase by her won me over. Now that said . . . this record and the artist have (IMO) a trailblazing progenitor I think is better. And I may stick that up next month vs. the smarmy new wave Britpop I was originally committed to.

I really, really enjoyed this nomination. I think I listened to JLP 8 or 9 times.
 
She wasn't happy with how this documentary portrayed things...





I wish more music videos from back then were shot on film...



 
Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill

Seen her twice, once at Brixton Academy about 12 years ago now - she was brilliant, only negatives was the stench of weed and the venom at which my wife was singing 'You Oughta Know' lyrics.
Awesome album full of hits.

9/10
 
Thank you. She doesn’t specify the untruths — I wonder what they are. Certainly dissuades me from watching it if the artist and work it’s supposed to celebrate said artist disavows!

This was a documentary that I caught a bit of a while ago. I didn't realise it was meant to be exclusively a celebration of the album and the parts I saw certainly didn't have that tone so I'm not surprised she's pissed off with the documentary maker. I was planning to watch the whole thing but like you, if it's been made under false pretences it puts me off. Obviously we don't know the whys and wherefores of this but the maker blithely responding to the criticisms by saying 'their visions for it diverged' just makes them sound a bit scummy.
 

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