The Album Review Club - Week #194 (page 1303) - Ants From Up There - Black Country, New Road

If it's not too personal a question what does she talk to him about? I don't know why but I like that it was his coffin rather than his gravestone that had the last FAC number. It's very likely that Wilson and I will share a funeral hymn but that's by the by. As I'm on this subject...



I can't remember if I've mentioned the time I worked in a coffin factory?
I don't recall Tony Wilson having Angels played at his funeral. Did you make the coffins? Probably easier to list the jobs you havent done at this point.

She talks to Tony Wilson about her dreams, her dysfunctions and her doubts. She's probably told me in more detail what she's talked about but it's hard to keep up. She does love a good cemetery - she's currently on a cruise in the Caribbean and sent me this picture from St Lucia yesterday

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Aren't you a Manc? My experience here for umpteen years on a variety of music threads on BM is that Manc bands always wear big lifts in their shoes regardless of genre. I'm one to talk given given I fell in love with the city because of its music (and then its people, and then its football club). But there are plenty of people on BM who think Stone Roses is one of the greatest bands of all time even though their output consists of little more than one (admittedly terrific IMO) record. If they were from Coventry I doubt we'd see such Mancunian adulation. Now this is no criticism: I find such fierce devotion quite heartwarming, but maybe lacking a touch of objectivity. That's probably especially because other than New Jerseyites and Springsteen/Bon Jovi/They Might Be Giants, you see comparatively little of that locals-only connectivity over here IMO. Even San Francisco's own Grateful Dead is considered a national treasure by their devotees, not a San Francisco one.
Ooh. er, good question.
Some would say yes, some would say no. I'm from the 'burbs, but my family were (all dead now) from Clayton so i grew up in a Mancunian nest at the very least.

I had to read your comment a few times, i didn't quite get the twist of it but then it hit me, i think, you think, my comment about the album being so Mancunian was a reference to the musical footprint of the region generally (?)

Er, no. I'm, er, i dunno, i, it just whisks me straight back to my early days in life being around Mancunians.
There is a certain "brutal absolutism" about the inner core of Mancunians which is unmistakable. The Gallagher brothers have some of it (and butter it up poorly), but this Mark fella absolutely nails it. The band's manner, how it plays the instruments, the sounds, all of it. It is Mancunian on a stick.

Being honest, i actively avoided Mancunian bands in my formative years.
I always thought they had a whiff of elitist unmusicality about them. James could sit down and fuck off for all i cared, The Charlatans i never listened either, they went in the same bin. Primal scream as well. Indie shite.

I blame The Smiths. I fucking hated them. Droning murderous, self depreciating durge which every champagne socialist arse would use as a their passport for acceptance and kinsmanship with the plebs.
"I used to be a poverty stricken, miserable student once, you know, so ya, rock on fellow hip brother!".
Wankers.

Stone roses were great for the one album they did but not a band i would "follow".
Googling says that the Bee gees were Mancunian. Best of the lot in my opinion.
 
I don't recall Tony Wilson having Angels played at his funeral. Did you make the coffins? Probably easier to list the jobs you havent done at this point.

She talks to Tony Wilson about her dreams, her dysfunctions and her doubts. She's probably told me in more detail what she's talked about but it's hard to keep up. She does love a good cemetery - she's currently on a cruise in the Caribbean and sent me this picture from St Lucia yesterday

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Maybe she's trying to tell you that her body feels as dead as a cemetery and that you being inside it would bring her back to life?

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Ooh. er, good question.
Some would say yes, some would say no. I'm from the 'burbs, but my family were (all dead now) from Clayton so i grew up in a Mancunian nest at the very least.

I had to read your comment a few times, i didn't quite get the twist of it but then it hit me, i think, you think, my comment about the album being so Mancunian was a reference to the musical footprint of the region generally (?)

Er, no. I'm, er, i dunno, i, it just whisks me straight back to my early days in life being around Mancunians.
There is a certain "brutal absolutism" about the inner core of Mancunians which is unmistakable. The Gallagher brothers have some of it (and butter it up poorly), but this Mark fella absolutely nails it. The band's manner, how it plays the instruments, the sounds, all of it. It is Mancunian on a stick.

Being honest, i actively avoided Mancunian bands in my formative years.
I always thought they had a whiff of elitist unmusicality about them. James could sit down and fuck off for all i cared, The Charlatans i never listened either, they went in the same bin. Primal scream as well. Indie shite.

I blame The Smiths. I fucking hated them. Droning murderous, self depreciating durge which every champagne socialist arse would use as a their passport for acceptance and kinsmanship with the plebs.
"I used to be a poverty stricken, miserable student once, you know, so ya, rock on fellow hip brother!".
Wankers.

Stone roses were great for the one album they did but not a band i would "follow".
Googling says that the Bee gees were Mancunian. Best of the lot in my opinion.
Yep, you've got the gist. I was trying to figure out why you like this but not punk generally, and I figured local roots play a role. Whereas I look at this as simply a clearly-nearly punk record -- the band just happens to be from Manchester. It's pre-post-punk even. But there are many fine punk bands and many fine punk records. I shall decide where this fits in due time.

Paging @Mad Eyed Screamer re: the Smiths comment. I believe you are pretty new here (yes?) so if you haven't encountered the near-legendary MES yet, you may be about to . . . :)
 
I'll write my review later but had to share -- driving in the car yesterday and "No Xmas for John Quays" comes on and a sudden, massive rush of memory back to college when my roommate, who was normally pretty above-the-fray, played the Totale's Turns version LOUD on his speaker and put it in the window as a response to some Choate Rosemary Hall preppies in our dorm playing Huey Lewis or something out THEIR window.
I've been bouncing around trying to decide on my next nomination - a very unusual situation for me as it's usually cemented in place a good few months in advance.

Anyway, you've given me an idea for a future nom but it probably won't be next because the cement finally went in last week.
 
I don't recall Tony Wilson having Angels played at his funeral. Did you make the coffins? Probably easier to list the jobs you havent done at this point.

She talks to Tony Wilson about her dreams, her dysfunctions and her doubts. She's probably told me in more detail what she's talked about but it's hard to keep up. She does love a good cemetery - she's currently on a cruise in the Caribbean and sent me this picture from St Lucia yesterday

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Hadn't really considered Angels as an option but now you mention it I'll add it to the shortlist. Good shout.

Though there is no official consensus there are estimated to be around 12,000 different occupations in the world so you and I both know it would not be quicker to list the approx 7000 that I haven't done. As for the coffins, though I own a number of tools that can be used for carpentry and have a rudimentary understanding of at least half of them, I was neither required nor allowed to fabricate a coffin. It was my job to analyse whether the coffin business should be sold, absorbed into another part of the wider business or remain as a mostly autonomous entity. I did spend some time on the shop floor, it was very interesting.
 
Hadn't really considered Angels as an option but now you mention it I'll add it to the shortlist. Good shout.

Though there is no official consensus there are estimated to be around 12,000 different occupations in the world so you and I both know it would not be quicker to list the approx 7000 that I haven't done. As for the coffins, though I own a number of tools that can be used for carpentry and have a rudimentary understanding of at least half of them, I was neither required nor allowed to fabricate a coffin. It was my job to analyse whether the coffin business should be sold, absorbed into another part of the wider business or remain as a mostly autonomous entity. I did spend some time on the shop floor, it was very interesting.
Whats the most interesting thing about coffin construction?
 
Whats the most interesting thing about coffin construction?

Depends what angle you're interested in, the big question for a UK facility is what basis are you competing on given the nature of the global supply chains. Customisation is one angle but lots of global exporters can offer that too now. Your football themed coffin is more likely to come from Asia than it is the town in which the team play. The burial market is obviously much smaller than the cremation market so quality is a hard sell because most people won't spend big on something that's going up in smoke. Sustainability and greeness are obviously a market but still pretty niche, certainly when I was looking at it anyway. But to answer your question, there's no polite way of putting it but both the construction and economics of a coffin for a large overweight person are interesting. You would think all the geometry is simply scaled up but that's not actually how it works.
 
Depends what angle you're interested in, the big question for a UK facility is what basis are you competing on given the nature of the global supply chains. Customisation is one angle but lots of global exporters can offer that too now. Your football themed coffin is more likely to come from Asia than it is the town in which the team play. The burial market is obviously much smaller than the cremation market so quality is a hard sell because most people won't spend big on something that's going up in smoke. Sustainability and greeness are obviously a market but still pretty niche, certainly when I was looking at it anyway. But to answer your question, there's no polite way of putting it but both the construction and economics of a coffin for a large overweight person are interesting. You would think all the geometry is simply scaled up but that's not actually how it works.
Was thinking about this recently as my uncle passed away. He was a tall man so wondered if coffins came in small, mediums and large or of it was one size fits all. How do they accommodate larger people?
 
Was thinking about this recently as my uncle passed away. He was a tall man so wondered if coffins came in small, mediums and large or of it was one size fits all. How do they accommodate larger people?

I think we're way off topic here but from memory the 'standard' size coffin fits the majority of adults including pretty tall people over 6ft. Obviously you don't want to be building too big a range if at all possible. The issue with a traditional coffin style that tapers from the shoulders is that if someone is very large then something that accommodates them at their widest point might mean the proportions don't look right. Not an issue with caskets which just scale up. For really big folk you also have to take into consideration the burial plot dimensions or the size of the cremators etc, cremating a very large person is more difficult technically too. But overall for coffins the bigger variations are in infant and child coffins :-(
 
Depends what angle you're interested in, the big question for a UK facility is what basis are you competing on given the nature of the global supply chains. Customisation is one angle but lots of global exporters can offer that too now. Your football themed coffin is more likely to come from Asia than it is the town in which the team play. The burial market is obviously much smaller than the cremation market so quality is a hard sell because most people won't spend big on something that's going up in smoke. Sustainability and greeness are obviously a market but still pretty niche, certainly when I was looking at it anyway. But to answer your question, there's no polite way of putting it but both the construction and economics of a coffin for a large overweight person are interesting. You would think all the geometry is simply scaled up but that's not actually how it works.

Oh wait, I thought you were joking before!
 
Yep, you've got the gist. I was trying to figure out why you like this but not punk generally, and I figured local roots play a role. Whereas I look at this as simply a clearly-nearly punk record -- the band just happens to be from Manchester. It's pre-post-punk even. But there are many fine punk bands and many fine punk records. I shall decide where this fits in due time.

Paging @Mad Eyed Screamer re: the Smiths comment. I believe you are pretty new here (yes?) so if you haven't encountered the near-legendary MES yet, you may be about to . . . :)
Near? Near? You can fuck right off…..

*puts foggy on ignore…..
 
I'm finding this weeks pick quite difficult to pin down. It's becoming increasingly clear to me the reason I've never really dived into The Fall wholeheartedly is because I genuinely can't decide if I like them or not so it's just been easier to swerve the question with a bit of casual listening and general admiration of the more obvious qualities.

But paying proper attention I find myself having two completely opposing thoughts all within the space of one line. It's hardly existential that I can't form a settled opinion but it's definitely pissing me off. I'm normally alright with a bit of ambiguity but it's making me to twitchy. How do you score something/one that appears to be part genius, part dickhead?
 
I'm finding this weeks pick quite difficult to pin down. It's becoming increasingly clear to me the reason I've never really dived into The Fall wholeheartedly is because I genuinely can't decide if I like them or not so it's just been easier to swerve the question with a bit of casual listening and general admiration of the more obvious qualities.

But paying proper attention I find myself having two completely opposing thoughts all within the space of one line. It's hardly existential that I can't form a settled opinion but it's definitely pissing me off. I'm normally alright with a bit of ambiguity but it's making me to twitchy. How do you score something/one that appears to be part genius, part dickhead?
Two things can exist at the same time.

Just because you can't stand the author, doesn't mean the story is crap.
 
I'm typing as I listen. Sort of a live feed into my brain. Horrendous I know.

Frightened sounds like Hugh Cornwell with a piss poor backing band. But bizarrely it's ok. Crap Rap has some of the worst drumming I've ever heard. Jukebox is a little better and Mother keeps this run going...until it speeds up. Very weird. Industrial Estate is a complete rip of of Jilted John. Not sure what to make of Music Scene.

I was a little dubious listening to The Fall as the last offering I heard was an enormous pile of shite but I'm sort of warming to this. It's very basic punk. I'm ignoring the trite lyrics. I'm trying to ignore the piss poor drum fills. But it is punk, albeit a few years late.
 
I'm finding this weeks pick quite difficult to pin down. It's becoming increasingly clear to me the reason I've never really dived into The Fall wholeheartedly is because I genuinely can't decide if I like them or not so it's just been easier to swerve the question with a bit of casual listening and general admiration of the more obvious qualities.

But paying proper attention I find myself having two completely opposing thoughts all within the space of one line. It's hardly existential that I can't form a settled opinion but it's definitely pissing me off. I'm normally alright with a bit of ambiguity but it's making me to twitchy. How do you score something/one that appears to be part genius, part dickhead?
To further answer.

I'm going slow on my review this week for much the same reasons.

I can't stand punk. Tuneless shite.
Rap is abhorrent.

I like rhythm, beat, harmony, synergy in my music.

In short, i like everything this album appears to rebel against.

Yet, fuck me, there is magic in its boots. The first track of this album "I'm frightened" is just so interesting.
It's raw, Painfully so but for the right reasons. This isn't some grade a celeb phoning it in for another billboard top 10. Mark is spitting and vomiting out his story.
It's got shit loads of character.

I thought the Strokes album was dead behind the eyes.
This albums soul is burning bright and you are there to bear it witness.

It can be so whilst you not really getting it's groove.
It's poetry.
 

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