The Album Review Club - Week #195 (page 1310) - A New World Record - ELO

threespires said:
No implied criticism of anyone in my comment, we all do our own thing.
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don't know anything about this guy but his wiki page makes me laugh.

Megadeth was kicked off Aerosmith's U.S. tour after just seven dates because a comment made by Mustaine ("We don't have much time to play because Aerosmith don't have much time left to live") was deemed extraordinarily offensive to Aerosmith.
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That sounds just like their album titles, which I give high scores for the humor/snark value. If we were talking about Lau's Arc Light album cover, we should be talking about Megadeth's album titles:
  • Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good! (1985)
  • Peace Sells... but Who's Buying? (1986)
  • So Far, So Good... So What! (1988)
  • Rust in Peace (1990)
  • Countdown to Extinction (1992)
  • Youthanasia (1994)
  • The World Needs a Hero (2001)
  • The System Has Failed (2004)
  • United Abominations (2007)
  • The Sick, the Dying... and the Dead! (2022)
And THAT is all I know about Megadeth. I will hopefully have more time later on to start listening.

I think things for me are better at this moment with a Family Affair and 1963. Yeah Yeah Yeah...
 
RobMCFC said:
Yes, I noticed him posting in other threads.

No votes in here since October. Maybe he's abandoned us for better things?
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Right after I scored The Colour of Spring just below This is the Sea in my #2 album find rankings.

I will repeat, it WAS close, Bimbo! ;-)

I'm missing him and MCD. Hope all is OK with you both.
 
mrbelfry said:
There is a difference between persistence and bloody mindedness trying to convince yourself you like something :) I gave Lau sometime but I think this is a bit more straightforward than that and many of my thoughts were similar so didn't feel i had anything more to give it :)
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The thing that immediately struck me about your comment there was something that I had thought myself, wondering if I was not just a FOC but also a bit of a musical snob.
The idea of giving one type of music more time than another. Trad/folk being more serious and credible than that silly heavy metal music, therefore I have to give it more time?

Gave this a couple of listens as I nipped in to town this morning...and a suggestion to you all.....get your lawnmower in for a service now as you wont have to wait as long as you would if you leave it until end of Feb. I think this comment supports my status as a FOC. My first thought was that the drummer would have to be exceptionally fit to keep going on a live show. As has been said there are some good riffs on here but after the first few they do start to merge. I was most struck by the little eastern infusion at 2.20 on the opener and also Hangar18 which made me think of Chris Cornell/You Know My Name.

Anyway, my brother was the metal head in our family and I am pretty sure I would have heard the early Megadeth stuff when he was back from Uni. Apart from my earliest couple of concerts (Status Quo/Whitesnake/ACDC) back in the early 80s I more or less ignored this genre (save for the excellent cross over Anthrax/Public Enemy track) so I shall have to give this another couple of listens to see if i can get much more out of it.
 
Black&White&BlueMoon Town said:
That sounds just like their album titles, which I give high scores for the humor/snark value. If we were talking about Lau's Arc Light album cover, we should be talking about Megadeth's album titles:
  • Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good! (1985)
  • Peace Sells... but Who's Buying? (1986)
  • So Far, So Good... So What! (1988)
  • Rust in Peace (1990)
  • Countdown to Extinction (1992)
  • Youthanasia (1994)
  • The World Needs a Hero (2001)
  • The System Has Failed (2004)
  • United Abominations (2007)
  • The Sick, the Dying... and the Dead! (2022)
And THAT is all I know about Megadeth. I will hopefully have more time later on to start listening.

I think things for me are better at this moment with a Family Affair and 1963. Yeah Yeah Yeah...
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I’ll tell you this — the second to last title is the one I like best. They speak truth.
 
The good news is per Gornik's hopes I've been sat here this afternoon nodding my head vigorously. The less good news is I've been doing it to No Sleep 'Till Hammersmith !

It occurred to me that, like some people felt about the last pick, this is music best listened to live and this is why Rust In Peace was sounding a bit anaemic compared to NSTH. So to try and make it more like for like I've been sampling Megadeath's live albums too and that's been instructive. Though I'm finding the live stuff more enjoyable for me it's still significantly less engaging and relatively sterile in comparison to Burslem's finest and his mates. Comparing them is probably a category error on my part as one of them is ultimately a punk band and the other isn't. Also doesn't help that Lemmy sounds like he's just arrived from the lower reaches of the Lithosphere and Mustaine sounds like an angry geography teacher. Will try to keep on task a bit more tomorrow and see if warm to it a bit more.
 
LGWIO said:
The thing that immediately struck me about your comment there was something that I had thought myself, wondering if I was not just a FOC but also a bit of a musical snob.
The idea of giving one type of music more time than another. Trad/folk being more serious and credible than that silly heavy metal music, therefore I have to give it more time?

Gave this a couple of listens as I nipped in to town this morning...and a suggestion to you all.....get your lawnmower in for a service now as you wont have to wait as long as you would if you leave it until end of Feb. I think this comment supports my status as a FOC. My first thought was that the drummer would have to be exceptionally fit to keep going on a live show. As has been said there are some good riffs on here but after the first few they do start to merge. I was most struck by the little eastern infusion at 2.20 on the opener and also Hangar18 which made me think of Chris Cornell/You Know My Name.

Anyway, my brother was the metal head in our family and I am pretty sure I would have heard the early Megadeth stuff when he was back from Uni. Apart from my earliest couple of concerts (Status Quo/Whitesnake/ACDC) back in the early 80s I more or less ignored this genre (save for the excellent cross over Anthrax/Public Enemy track) so I shall have to give this another couple of listens to see if i can get much more out of it.
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IMO not liking metal is not an FOC thing save for that hippies don’t like it (cf. that South Park episode). My issue has always been that songs need melodies or hooks or, if they have neither, must be interesting and unique enough topically or sonically to add value without melody or hooks. So much metal I’ve heard fails these tests — nearly all of it in fact, Metallica included. I certainly can cherry pick some things. That said, the Anthrax/PE mash up is awesome, but PE had melody, hooks, and topical/sonic interest across nearly all their tunes already, and Anthrax free rode in on that albeit with a whopper of a chord change hook of their own. Plus PE had already name-checked them on the original release of the song (“Wax is for Anthrax / Still it can rock bells”) and pointed out that they themselves had expansive enough minds not to auto-dis metal. Also the video was funny, so extra points for the inside reference plus a sense of humour. And THAT said — I didn’t find much of Anthrax’s other stuff that I truly loved or even liked.

BTW I have considered offering up either It Takes A Nation of Millions or Apocalypse 91 here but have been a little afraid of the reaction. I love those records. The former is one of my few 10/10s and in my top 25 of all time.
 
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Evening Chaps, I’m fine but I’ve been tied up with another house move before our eventual move overseas and I’m mad busy work wise.So unfortunately I’m going to have to take a bit of a sabbatical from all our music threads until next month.
I did however listen to Lau, sorry Coats not for me a couple of tracks were ok
but I couldn’t do a whole album and I like my fiddles and accordion.
Megadeth isn’t me either but from a very brief listen it’s not as bad as I imagined.
I’ll dip in and out when I can.
 
threespires said:
The good news is per Gornik's hopes I've been sat here this afternoon nodding my head vigorously. The less good news is I've been doing it to No Sleep 'Till Hammersmith !

It occurred to me that, like some people felt about the last pick, this is music best listened to live and this is why Rust In Peace was sounding a bit anaemic compared to NSTH. So to try and make it more like for like I've been sampling Megadeath's live albums too and that's been instructive. Though I'm finding the live stuff more enjoyable for me it's still significantly less engaging and relatively sterile in comparison to Burslem's finest and his mates. Comparing them is probably a category error on my part as one of them is ultimately a punk band and the other isn't. Also doesn't help that Lemmy sounds like he's just arrived from the lower reaches of the Lithosphere and Mustaine sounds like an angry geography teacher. Will try to keep on task a bit more tomorrow and see if warm to it a bit more.
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I haven’t heard NSTH in years - I’ll change that in the car tomorrow. I’d say Motörhead at that time were one of my favourite bands. The bomber lighting rig that seemed to drop down within inches of the crowd was state of the art at the time - up there with the Thin Lizzy ‘manned’ spot cages.
You could always judge a good Motörhead gig by how many days your ears rang for afterwards!
Motörhead supported the Foos at Hyde Park a few years back - around 2008 I’d guess. I bigged up Lemmy as one of the great front men with my kids who were very young and impressionable at the time. His opener to the waiting masses was a very loud “alright Mother Fuckers”!! Legend :)
Edit - it was 2006! Where does the time go :(
 
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GornikDaze said:
I haven’t heard NSTH in years - I’ll change that in the car tomorrow. I’d say Motörhead at that time were one of my favourite bands. The bomber lighting rig that seemed to drop down within inches of the crowd was state of the art at the time - up there with the Thin Lizzy ‘manned’ spot cages.
You could always judge a good Motörhead gig by how many days your ears rang for afterwards!
Motörhead supported the Foos at Hyde Park a few years back - around 2008 I’d guess. I bigged up Lemmy as one of the great front men with my kids who were very young and impressionable at the time. His opener to the waiting masses was a very loud “alright Mother Fuckers”!! Legend :)
Edit - it was 2006! Where does the time go :(
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They could still bring their game in 2006, very consistent over the years partly because the formula never really changed. To me that was their beauty though; what they were communicating was very clear - hello motherfuckers we're here to give you a good time by making your internal organs shake , don't take anything too seriously and enjoy yourself and if your ears do start bleeding well don't you worry about that because that's what you paid for.

In contrast I'm struggling a bit to get what Megadeath are saying to me about my life!

What I can say is this thread is really pissing MrsSpires off. Dinner table discussion last night consisted of elder son explaining how hard the Tornado of Souls solo is to play then a discussion about the risable nature of most of the lyrics on this album followed by a short argument about whether the side of your hand actually constitutes your palm and finished with why I watch Ola Englunds YT channel when I don't even listen to metal. It would be fair to say she's had enough.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
BTW I have considered offering up either It Takes A Nation of Millions or Apocalypse 91 here but have been a little afraid of the reaction. I love those records. The former is one of my few 10/10s and in my top 25 of all time.
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Tricky. On paper ITANOM should be a no brainer given it's arguably one of the top 100 most important albums ever made and it's quality transcends genre. However, this thread has a flava which is at odds with it. It could though be lousy score good discussion territory? It's a shame the Prophets of Rage collaboration wasn't better, cause from a genre perspective it would probably have been a decent enough thread match.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
BTW I have considered offering up either It Takes A Nation of Millions or Apocalypse 91 here but have been a little afraid of the reaction. I love those records. The former is one of my few 10/10s and in my top 25 of all time.
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I'd happily review ITANOM but expect people wouldn't know how to talk about given the genre stuff I've talked about. I also haven't listened to it so I'm making a huge generalisation in thinking that it will have an American slant to the politics and social commentary so some of what hits with Fog might not just because it references places and times etc. I spoke a little about this in my Guitar Town review actually using rap as a reference point. For British social stuff we turn to the specials
 
mrbelfry said:
I'd happily review ITANOM but expect people wouldn't know how to talk about given the genre stuff I've talked about. I also haven't listened to it so I'm making a huge generalisation in thinking that it will have an American slant to the politics and social commentary so some of what hits with Fog might not just because it references places and times etc. I spoke a little about this in my Guitar Town review actually using rap as a reference point. For British social stuff we turn to the specials
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Somewhat counterintuitively, the album opens with them being introduced to the Hammersmith Odeon audience as part of BBC in Concert coverage of the Def Jam tour with Griff then ad-libbing before the album proper starts with Bring The Noise. I could be wrong but I think their point in doing this was to set out their stall that what were saying was universal and tbf on the politics and social commentary side I personally don't think you need a specific lived experience to be able to understand or enjoy it. That said the genre point I think is valid, though it might be possible we'd attract other new posters who could provide insight to enhance/lead the discussion. I get the sense there are quite a few lurkers on this thread who if it went in their direction for a week might chip in?

Maybe something like Arrested Development's debut or one of the Native Tongues gang, probably De La Soul, would be a happy medium for going in a hip-hop direction whilst carry people along?

Back on topic, I'm coming to conclusion I would like Rust in Peace to be a bit scuzzier.
 
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mrbelfry said:
I'd happily review ITANOM but expect people wouldn't know how to talk about given the genre stuff I've talked about. I also haven't listened to it so I'm making a huge generalisation in thinking that it will have an American slant to the politics and social commentary so some of what hits with Fog might not just because it references places and times etc. I spoke a little about this in my Guitar Town review actually using rap as a reference point. For British social stuff we turn to the specials
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I am a big fan of records that speak to experiences I don’t/can’t/won’t have, which is why I like so much riot grrrrrl stuff, along with Gang of Four (unabashed Marxists) and PE. However, I’ll also never be a rock star, but “perils of being famous” thematics turn my stomach.
 
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