The Album Review Club - Week #195 (page 1310) - A New World Record - ELO

Starting at Grumpy’s final clue (and I will get to the album itself eventually), over time I have become slightly ambivalent towards Trevor Horn. It would be ludicrous to discount his skills and talent and he’s still fascinating to listen to talking about music; but in terms of his output I tend to oscillate between ‘that works really well’ and ‘enough with your trademark over production'. He’s not in the same criminal bucket as Hugh Padgham and his assorted acolytes of gated reverb but there is still an issue that his approach is fine for a while but there comes a point where you want someone to put mitts on his hands and gaffer tape him to the operator’s chair well away from the consoles. His recent Echoes covers album sums up my issue; on the one hand it has a very good Love is a Battlefield by Marc Almond, a very passable Owner of A Lonely Heart by Rick Astley, an utterly risible version of Relax by Wilcox/Fripp and a version of Teen Spirit that would suggest Horn actually has little understanding of the point of music.

Why is this relevant? Well, he’s not the kind of the producer who feels it his job to get out of the way and let the music speak for itself, is he? So, he’s going to form part of this review one way or another. Now I’m certainly wouldn’t go putting him into egotistical douchebag (© FBISF Enterprises Ltd) territory, because when interviewed he comes across as a nice guy with great intent and who has dealt with personal adversity admirably but I’m always nervous of the degree to which he imposes his will on a record. It works well with somewhat less musically able scallies from down the East-Lancs road, but I’m surprised that for example by the time he reunited with Yes they didn’t top him and bury him under the patio before the completion of the 90210 album or whatever it was called.

Horn is by self-admission a meticulous constructor ideal for producing stuff that sounds impactful in the right environment but given the choice between polish and cleverness versus spontaneity and heart I will always ultimately choose spontaneity and heart. (I can hear Rob muttering well how does that square up with your love of synths? Well, I do love synths but I also want a bit of an organic feel too, which is why though I love Vince Clarke’s meticulous multi-tracking of his analog mono synths (which to me creates a very human feel and texture in comparison to some of the more despicable digital synths) it’s the fusion with Alison Moyet’s smoky contralto that really creates the magic.

Anyhoo, the Seal album? The good news on this album is that Seal himself has enough about him to stop this tipping into an overly shiny but ultimately anodyne exercise. There’s also a decent amount of variety in the songs which helps avoid this trap too. Though it is essentially a pop album we know Seal has been out clubbing and raving a fair bit and though the infusions do feel a bit calculated they also elevate it beyond bog standard fare.

There are even some places where a meticulous approach to production works well albeit then going too far, the revised version of Killer being a case in point. It’s got plenty of Horn bombast but there was no point replicating the original single and what he does with it is interesting. It sounds both less clubby and ironically less digital but arguably this approach gives it a more dystopian and brutalist sound which I think works well with the song overall and provides a meaningful reinvention. Until at 3 mins 30, at which point Trevor can't resist sticking stupid samples in….somebody get the mittens back on Trevor now.

There are other occasional missteps – most egregiously Future Love Paradise is cod philosophical word soup accompanied by tampon advert music, it’s almost redeemed by the guilty pleasure style bassline but not quite.

However, beyond this track and some other passages where the production gets a bit too dinner party or a song overstays its welcome somewhat, I think there’s quite a lot that’s likeable about this. The variety I’ve already mentioned and unlike say other’s views I think the change of pace and even style works well without it sounding too disjointed; maybe that’s the unifying effect of Horn’s production that I have partly decried. I enjoy Seal’s voice too, though good rather than exceptional it has a really appealing character to it. Crazy deserves it’s continued status as a radio staple and is an example where the production works well. There are tracks too like Whirlpool, where the production is dialled back, and the song is all the better for it. It does flag a bit later but redeems itself with Violet which I really enjoyed as a way to close the album. I know Seal has enjoyed Horn’s participation and partnership throughout his career so it’s a relationship that works for them. I would just like the occasional moments of roughness that you hear when you see those videos of him out busking, but then arguably that would jar with the overall tone of the album so horses for course maybe.

For reasons best known to itself, my local council has decided to undertake some form of homage to Boston’s Big Dig and consequently you can’t drive anywhere without sitting in an effing queue. However, I’ve had this album on, and I’ve found it has made the process of getting from A to B a lot more palatable. Overall, I’ve enjoyed the change of style and tone from recent weeks. I’m more likely to re-listen to this than say last week’s effort and I’ve already had a listen to his Live in Paris album to see how it translates beyond the studio.

All that said it does have a ceiling in terms of its ambitions. Though I kipped through a large chunk of the 90’s music scene, even I know that there was some interesting stuff going on in 1991. Though I may have restricted myself to the odd bit of St Etienne and Massive Attack I was aware of the significant changes going on in rock music. Against the backdrop of these changes, this sounds like what it is…a really well-made pop record by people who know what they are doing and an impressive debut album. I don’t think it’s ground-breaking (though it’s easy to get who did what and when mixed up) but it fuses a few things quite nicely and is enjoyable without having to work hard to listen to it, so it gets a nicely relaxing 7/10.
Superb review.
I wish I could write like that.
Alas my dyslexic ticks won't allow it.
Agree with your points as well.

I'm delighted you "got" Violet.
It's the one song on the album which I think would be missed by most people who are in a rush to get to the sonic booms in music.

FLP is the weak link agreed but again, it has redeeming features.

10/10. Great effort.
 
Boring and bland.
I had only heard Seal on tv and pubs and i honestly wondered why he got so successful at the time.
First timd listening to an whole album and found Crazy the best song but again if it ever came on the tv there is a good chance i would switch off.
My first thought when this was nominated was i hope i like this more than i think i will.
Nope worst feelings realised.
3/10
 
Starting at Grumpy’s final clue (and I will get to the album itself eventually), over time I have become slightly ambivalent towards Trevor Horn. It would be ludicrous to discount his skills and talent and he’s still fascinating to listen to talking about music; but in terms of his output I tend to oscillate between ‘that works really well’ and ‘enough with your trademark over production'. He’s not in the same criminal bucket as Hugh Padgham and his assorted acolytes of gated reverb but there is still an issue that his approach is fine for a while but there comes a point where you want someone to put mitts on his hands and gaffer tape him to the operator’s chair well away from the consoles. His recent Echoes covers album sums up my issue; on the one hand it has a very good Love is a Battlefield by Marc Almond, a very passable Owner of A Lonely Heart by Rick Astley, an utterly risible version of Relax by Wilcox/Fripp and a version of Teen Spirit that would suggest Horn actually has little understanding of the point of music.

Why is this relevant? Well, he’s not the kind of the producer who feels it his job to get out of the way and let the music speak for itself, is he? So, he’s going to form part of this review one way or another. Now I’m certainly wouldn’t go putting him into egotistical douchebag (© FBISF Enterprises Ltd) territory, because when interviewed he comes across as a nice guy with great intent and who has dealt with personal adversity admirably but I’m always nervous of the degree to which he imposes his will on a record. It works well with somewhat less musically able scallies from down the East-Lancs road, but I’m surprised that for example by the time he reunited with Yes they didn’t top him and bury him under the patio before the completion of the 90210 album or whatever it was called.

Horn is by self-admission a meticulous constructor ideal for producing stuff that sounds impactful in the right environment but given the choice between polish and cleverness versus spontaneity and heart I will always ultimately choose spontaneity and heart. (I can hear Rob muttering well how does that square up with your love of synths? Well, I do love synths but I also want a bit of an organic feel too, which is why though I love Vince Clarke’s meticulous multi-tracking of his analog mono synths (which to me creates a very human feel and texture in comparison to some of the more despicable digital synths) it’s the fusion with Alison Moyet’s smoky contralto that really creates the magic.

Anyhoo, the Seal album? The good news on this album is that Seal himself has enough about him to stop this tipping into an overly shiny but ultimately anodyne exercise. There’s also a decent amount of variety in the songs which helps avoid this trap too. Though it is essentially a pop album we know Seal has been out clubbing and raving a fair bit and though the infusions do feel a bit calculated they also elevate it beyond bog standard fare.

There are even some places where a meticulous approach to production works well albeit then going too far, the revised version of Killer being a case in point. It’s got plenty of Horn bombast but there was no point replicating the original single and what he does with it is interesting. It sounds both less clubby and ironically less digital but arguably this approach gives it a more dystopian and brutalist sound which I think works well with the song overall and provides a meaningful reinvention. Until at 3 mins 30, at which point Trevor can't resist sticking stupid samples in….somebody get the mittens back on Trevor now.

There are other occasional missteps – most egregiously Future Love Paradise is cod philosophical word soup accompanied by tampon advert music, it’s almost redeemed by the guilty pleasure style bassline but not quite.

However, beyond this track and some other passages where the production gets a bit too dinner party or a song overstays its welcome somewhat, I think there’s quite a lot that’s likeable about this. The variety I’ve already mentioned and unlike say other’s views I think the change of pace and even style works well without it sounding too disjointed; maybe that’s the unifying effect of Horn’s production that I have partly decried. I enjoy Seal’s voice too, though good rather than exceptional it has a really appealing character to it. Crazy deserves it’s continued status as a radio staple and is an example where the production works well. There are tracks too like Whirlpool, where the production is dialled back, and the song is all the better for it. It does flag a bit later but redeems itself with Violet which I really enjoyed as a way to close the album. I know Seal has enjoyed Horn’s participation and partnership throughout his career so it’s a relationship that works for them. I would just like the occasional moments of roughness that you hear when you see those videos of him out busking, but then arguably that would jar with the overall tone of the album so horses for course maybe.

For reasons best known to itself, my local council has decided to undertake some form of homage to Boston’s Big Dig and consequently you can’t drive anywhere without sitting in an effing queue. However, I’ve had this album on, and I’ve found it has made the process of getting from A to B a lot more palatable. Overall, I’ve enjoyed the change of style and tone from recent weeks. I’m more likely to re-listen to this than say last week’s effort and I’ve already had a listen to his Live in Paris album to see how it translates beyond the studio.

All that said it does have a ceiling in terms of its ambitions. Though I kipped through a large chunk of the 90’s music scene, even I know that there was some interesting stuff going on in 1991. Though I may have restricted myself to the odd bit of St Etienne and Massive Attack I was aware of the significant changes going on in rock music. Against the backdrop of these changes, this sounds like what it is…a really well-made pop record by people who know what they are doing and an impressive debut album. I don’t think it’s ground-breaking (though it’s easy to get who did what and when mixed up) but it fuses a few things quite nicely and is enjoyable without having to work hard to listen to it, so it gets a nicely relaxing 7/10.
Impressive commitment to Trevor Horns career
 
Perhaps it's just me but I find the lack of any real discord or controversy from the club regarding this album to be interesting and in stark contrast to recent submissions.

I was beginning to wonder if people were bothering to listen to it.

Is this a good thing or bad thing?
Is it because the album is quite accessible and in itself not controversial?

I suspect so. If I may offer an analogy: Drinking fine wines and posh spirits is all well and good but sometimes you just need a decent , well made pint to soothe the aches of the day away.

I don't think it's a bad thing tbh.
It's just a little dull. Singles aside. It's as though they crafted the chart hits and fiddled around too much with the rest. You know I hate dinner party music, music so bland that it sits in the background doing absolutely nothing, creating no spark whatsoever. Most of this album does this. Apart from Crazy and Killer. Which would stop me eating Emma's soufflé and look up and take notice.

And yes, I did listen to it. 3 times. Once in the car on Friday heading towards Norfolk. I know the way well enough to sort of pay little attention to the road, you know what I mean, but unfortunately, apart from the spike of those 2 songs, the rest, along with the journey, merged into one. Even the missus, a lover of Seals voice, said it was a bit dull.
 
It's just a little dull. Singles aside. It's as though they crafted the chart hits and fiddled around too much with the rest. You know I hate dinner party music, music so bland that it sits in the background doing absolutely nothing, creating no spark whatsoever. Most of this album does this. Apart from Crazy and Killer. Which would stop me eating Emma's soufflé and look up and take notice.

And yes, I did listen to it. 3 times. Once in the car on Friday heading towards Norfolk. I know the way well enough to sort of pay little attention to the road, you know what I mean, but unfortunately, apart from the spike of those 2 songs, the rest, along with the journey, merged into one. Even the missus, a lover of Seals voice, said it was a bit dull.
You probably have a crap car stereo.








;-)​
 
Perhaps it's just me but I find the lack of any real discord or controversy from the club regarding this album to be interesting and in stark contrast to recent submissions.

I was beginning to wonder if people were bothering to listen to it.

Is this a good thing or bad thing?
Is it because the album is quite accessible and in itself not controversial?

I suspect so. If I may offer an analogy: Drinking fine wines and posh spirits is all well and good but sometimes you just need a decent , well made pint to soothe the aches of the day away.

I don't think it's a bad thing tbh.
Yes -- there's not really anything edgy nor controversial about it, is there? It's not over- nor under-rated as a piece of history. He's a popular fellow, but not necessarily with everyone in this crowd. I'd say this was a very down the middle, safe pick which is breaking along typical stylistic lines of the various posters, but it's not loveable and not hateable. It's just kind of bland. Not like a pint. Like a cup of tea without milk nor sugar. And I listened three times as well on drives plus several additional times to "Crazy" and "Violet" (when I find songs I like, I will often play them for fun the week of).

Heck, YOU picked it and you gave it a 6-7! Every record I've picked for me would have been at least an 8. And I haven't even delved into any of my top ten all-time records yet (albeit one was picked by someone else) nor any especially edgy records I like (but eventually I will . . . ).
 
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Yes -- there's not really anything edgy nor controversial about it, is there? It's not over- nor under-rated as a piece of history. He's a popular fellow, but not necessarily with everyone in this crowd. I'd say this was a very down the middle, safe pick which is breaking along typical stylistic lines of the various posters, but it's not loveable and not hateable. It's just kind of bland. Not like a pint. Like a cup of tea without milk nor sugar. And I listened three times as well on drives plus several additional times to "Crazy" and "Violet" (when I find songs I like, I will often play them for fun the week of).

Heck, YOU picked it and you gave it a 6-7! Every record I've picked for me would have been at least an 8. And I haven't even delved into any of my top ten all-time records yet (albeit one was picked by someone else) nor any especially edgy records I like (but eventually I will . . . ).
A 6 or 7 score from the nominator.
Isn't the whole point is to nominate records you love.
 
Yes -- there's not really anything edgy nor controversial about it, is there? It's not over- nor under-rated as a piece of history. He's a popular fellow, but not necessarily with everyone in this crowd. I'd say this was a very down the middle, safe pick which is breaking along typical stylistic lines of the various posters, but it's not loveable and not hateable. It's just kind of bland. Not like a pint. Like a cup of tea without milk nor sugar. And I listened three times as well on drives plus several additional times to "Crazy" and "Violet" (when I find songs I like, I will often play them for fun the week of).

Heck, YOU picked it and you gave it a 6-7! Every record I've picked for me would have been at least an 8. And I haven't even delved into any of my top ten all-time records yet (albeit one was picked by someone else) nor any especially edgy records I like (but eventually I will . . . ).
You make an important point and I noted this in my sub.
I didn't think that posting a fav album would have worked too well as my 1st submission. (Weird musical tastes ftw). I hit upon the idea of posting my 1st album purchase because it did influence my future buying habits to a degree and I thought it would be a good contrast to the normal fare here.

Also my scoring system is a bit at odds with others I think.
1 is crap
10 is God's own.
5 is average

So 6-7 is good (which I think it is).
Perhaps i probably mean 7-8 in others shoes.

I also think comfortable is fine sometimes. Comfortable gets another spin. LATWT was a 7 from me because it was so damn interesting but it is uncomfortable so won't likely get another spin unless I'm in a particular mood.
 
A 6 or 7 score from the nominator.
Isn't the whole point is to nominate records you love.
6-7 is high up for me.

I've been wondering what of my catalogue would be 8-9 and honestly, outside absolute classics (which are not appropriate) or stuff people would just refuse to listen to I'm struggling.
 
You make an important point and I noted this in my sub.
I didn't think that posting a fav album would have worked too well as my 1st submission. (Weird musical tastes ftw). I hit upon the idea of posting my 1st album purchase because it did influence my future buying habits to a degree and I thought it would be a good contrast to the normal fare here.

Also my scoring system is a bit at odds with others I think.
1 is crap
10 is God's own.
5 is average

So 6-7 is good (which I think it is).
Perhaps i probably mean 7-8 in others shoes.

I also think comfortable is fine sometimes. Comfortable gets another spin. LATWT was a 7 from me because it was so damn interesting but it is uncomfortable so won't likely get another spin unless I'm in a particular mood.
Sure. I've said it before -- folks should pick whatever they want for whatever reasons they want. I have hoped to pick records that by and large I think the group will enjoy but it's more important that I enjoy them. But I might consider a record I detest or think is wildly overrated. More likely I will in future consider a record I love but expect many others here to dislike. I suspect, e.g., that I like American punk more than anyone else who posts here regularly but very "safe" mid-career X is as close as I've gotten (and wasn't exactly a hit with folks).

To your other point -- absolute classics are totally fine! Always nice to revisit them. And so what if you pick something you love that others won't? Lots of us here use this thread as our way to regularly listen to music -- at our ages, the hustle and bustle of the world sometimes interferes. In the car taking work phone calls; watching Netflix with my wife instead of bopping around in chair with headphones on . . . it's easy to do other things.
 
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@GoatersLeftShin - Looks like everybody else has dropped out so if you can nominate this week, that would be great.

Otherwise we'll have a curator's choice, as selected by @Coatigan
FYI I WANT to wait my turn but I have two writeups on standby in case in future you ever need something :)
 
My biggest problem with Crazy as a song (probably even going back 30 years), is that it just feels like it desperately wants to be a rock or pop-rock song. And then the rave-lite electronics to it, to me, just feels like soneone has replaced one conventional set-up that the song almost craves, with an ever so slightly less conventional backing track.

Anyone else ever get this feeling?
 
Sure. I've said it before -- folks should pick whatever they want for whatever reasons they want. I have hoped to pick records that by and large I think the group will enjoy but it's more important that I enjoy them. But I might consider a record I detest or think is wildly overrated. More likely I will in future consider a record I love but expect many others here to dislike. I suspect, e.g., that I like American punk more than anyone else who posts here regularly but very "safe" mid-career X is as close as I've gotten (and wasn't exactly a hit with folks).

To your other point -- absolute classics are totally fine! Always nice to revisit them. And so what if you pick something you love that others won't? Lots of us here use this thread as our way to regularly listen to music -- at our ages, the hustle and bustle of the world sometimes interferes. In the car taking work phone calls; watching Netflix with my wife instead of bopping around in chair with headphones on . . . it's easy to do other things.
I've a vision of Bimbobob parked up in a layby with his missus pleading with him to not give Frank Bretschneider's "A soft throbbing of time" it's 3rd and final spin whilst he himself is going through an existential confict of either sticking to his 3 spin commitment and risking a walk home/insanity or fucking the car stereo out of the window....
 

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