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Re-watching the fight now. At times it almost looks like a mismatch tbh. Usyk is way to smart a boxer for AJ, he looks devoid of ideas to counter Usyk's movement, can't stop him coming in and out. Joshua looks worried.

In my humble opinion Fury has the size, power advantage and ring craft of Usyk, Fury v Joshua would be pointless tbh, there would only be one winner. Fury v Usyk is the fight now as long as Fury beats Wilder again. Joshua v Wilder should happen imo.
 
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AJ ... hype and media attention got to him. No hunger or desire. A life lesson for all, materials can destroy a man's hunger to succeed.
 

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Glad Usyk got more respect on here pre fight than everywhere else I looked. Fully deserved, and those last 4 championship rounds he really did start teeing off, I thought it summed up the fight when rather than try a hail mary Joshua just lay on the ropes sticking his tongue out knowing he could very well have been close to getting stopped himself.

I dont understand the clamour for a rematch at all, obviously in heavyweight boxing one big punch is all it takes (Wilder has made a career off his right hand) but how many fights would AJ land that big shot? 99/100 I think it goes the same way it did on saturday.
 

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Glad Usyk got more respect on here pre fight than everywhere else I looked. Fully deserved, and those last 4 championship rounds he really did start teeing off, I thought it summed up the fight when rather than try a hail mary Joshua just lay on the ropes sticking his tongue out knowing he could very well have been close to getting stopped himself.

I dont understand the clamour for a rematch at all, obviously in heavyweight boxing one big punch is all it takes (Wilder has made a career off his right hand) but how many fights would AJ land that big shot? 99/100 I think it goes the same way it did on saturday.

I think it’s just the reporting in the media on the fight will obviously mention a rematch but I think there’s no clamour at all to see the rematch as most like you say feel it goes exactly the same
 

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I think it’s just the reporting in the media on the fight will obviously mention a rematch but I think there’s no clamour at all to see the rematch as most like you say feel it goes exactly the same
I've seen Hearn talking about it which is weird, he might just get away with Fury/Joshua if AJ knocks out a gatekeeper or two but if Usyk does a job on him again in a rematch then it really is dead and buried.
 

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I've seen Hearn talking about it which is weird, he might just get away with Fury/Joshua if AJ knocks out a gatekeeper or two but if Usyk does a job on him again in a rematch then it really is dead and buried.

yeah spot on, I think I’m public Hearn needs to show belief and support in AJ but behind closed doors he will probably be steering him to the winner of Fury Wilder
 

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Re-watching the fight now. At times it almost looks like a mismatch tbh. Usyk is way to smart a boxer for AJ, he looks devoid of ideas to counter Usyk's movement, can't stop him coming in and out. Joshua looks worried.

In my humble opinion Fury has the size, power advantage and ring craft of Usyk, Fury v Joshua would be pointless tbh, there would only be one winner. Fury v Usyk is the fight now as long as Fury beats Wilder again. Joshua v Wilder should happen imo.
Cannot believe the judges had it a draw going into the ninth round which shows you that it was going to be an Eddie Hearn special.
 

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I don't think there was much wrong with the judges scorecards. If they wanted to fix the fight, they could have scored it a draw regardless of how the last 3 rounds went. Most boxing sources I've looked at, are saying the judging was quite fair overall.

One judge scored it 8-3 Usyk, with one tied round. Another scored it 8-4 Usyk. The British judge scored it 7-5 Usyk. Considering AJ is the home fighter, there isn't much to complain about. It's just the usual twitter conspiracy talk.

I haven't re-watched the full fight yet but I will. I scored it 7-5 Usyk myself on first viewing. I wasn't listening to the commentary much either and I was sober while I watched it. I know some absolute fanatics(long time boxing only sports fans) who scored it the same too, so I know I'm in good company with that. Perhaps there is an element of guessing how the judges might score the closer rounds, given who the champion and home fighter is but equally those who wanted AJ to lose will score the closer rounds to Usyk by default too.

I noticed Roy Jones said similar to me after the fight in one of his interviews. AJ shouldn't have been so passive in the opening stages on the whole, he needed to bank as many of those as he could because Usyk was always going to be the the fresher fighter in the latter stages.

What I have done though is look at how others have scored it. Rounds 2, 4,5,6,8 are rounds that A LOT of people (including some at ringside, professional pundits, current and former fighters and boxing fans), scored for AJ.

Rounds 2 and 4 were swing rounds and I can explain why they were if anyone really wants me to, having watched those back(quite simple really). Most people scored 5,6 and 8 for AJ.

Some sources(Boxingscene) had AJ winning round 9 as well, despite his eye being damaged in that round. That was a big shot that landed in the last 30 seconds of the round but Usyk had took a lot of the round off before it because he was tiring, so there is an argument to be made for AJ there(I didn't score it that way personally). I think the amount of energy Usyk expended in the 7th impacted his output in the following two rounds. He definitely got his second wind though, that's for sure.
 
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