The British Monarchy

SebastianBlue said:
I obviously cannot speak to female experience and how that impacts what information is appropriate to be shared or not shared—I will defer to you, @Eccles Blue, @kaz7 and others on that—but if she is indeed generally in charge of the handling of the entire affair, than many more mistakes than just the poorly photoshopped picture have been made.

And I personally have a very difficult time believing they are truly operating independent of advisors and RH support. I understand the impression that want to give of being much more of the “common folk” then past members of the royal family (which is all political expedient), and the work they have done to try project that. But nothing about their actual lives (or their personalities, for that matter) would be manageable without robust assistance.

Which means they will have had guidance before, during, and after her what it now seems was pretty major surgery. And it is unclear if she was even well enough shortly after do undertake many of the actions that are seemingly now being attributed to her.

As I said, I would be exceedingly surprised if she or William were the main drivers of most of this (apart from perhaps make poor choices of which counsel they took).



Yes, the way in which it is being handled is problematic on so many levels, especially when you consider the people involved, who know better than perhaps anyone else on earth how the British people and press are likely going to react to situations like this, for better or worse.

I said earlier in the thread that the handling is so shambolic that it is essentially what you would do if you intentionally wanted to create conditions for scandal and conspiracy.
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I don't for one minute think either of them are operating entirely apart from advisors, but I do think they have boundaries and that most things with their children is left to them.
 
Phil1 said:
Are the Juve fans still confident of getting Pep in the next 30 years? :-)
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Dunno pal. One thing I have learned is that the snide shirt salesmen of Florence haven't moved on in 30 years. Every Fiorentina shirt has Batistuta on the back :)
 
mackenzie said:
I don't for one minute think either of them are operating entirely apart from advisors, but I do think they have boundaries and that most things with their children is left to them.
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That I agree with. I just think this was all well beyond merely involving their children, hence far more “management”, which has been very poor, to put it nicely.
 
SebastianBlue said:
All jokes aside, she is very likely to be the Queen Consort to the next King very soon. Which puts her in a very real position of power. Not to mention the modern royal family are meant to be both culture leaders and servants of the British people, and receive state support and protections, thus there is a very high (completely reasonable) expectation of scrutiny and accountability. Not to the level of what occurred with Dianna and others in the past, mind, but still substantially higher than a common citizen of the UK or the commonwealth.

And, of all the current members of the royal family, she will have known what marrying William meant for her life beyond. Most accounts have her not only resigning herself to the rigours and obligations of royal life but actually actively pursuing them via her relationship with William. That is fine—many woman will have dreamed of doing the same, and she may very well be generally happy with her decision.

But no reasonable observer can argue she had no idea what she was getting herself into, especially given she wasn’t just with a random member of the royal family, she was with the eldest son of Princess Diana (who she would have know was very likely to become King one day). Kate was 15 when Diana died, so will have seen much of what occurred before, and certainly all of what happened after. This is what she signed on for.

Beyond all that, though, I think there is an obligation of disclosure for any member of the royal family at the top of the line of succession, particularly when members above are currently experiencing serious health issues. It could be as simple as a statement of the specific procedure, prognosis, and attestation of outcome. It is what occurred with King Charles and there was no scandal and very little consternation, even despite it actually likely being a much more serious situation from a constitutional implications point of view.

They couldn’t have done more of the opposite with Kate if they tried. Actually, saying that, if you were intentionally trying to create conditions for scandal and conspiracy, this is pretty much exactly how you would handle it. It has truly been shambolic.

Which itself is very much worthy of scrutiny and calls for further disclosure, even if it actually is nothing more than Kate trying to avoid perceived embarrassment. The fact that the Royal Household could fuck up so spectacularly is alone worthy of investigation. And if this is all intentional, for whatever reason, that is certainly deserving of inquiry, as well.

I don’t support this being a bigger story than many of the much more pressing and important situations currently occurring at home and abroad. But it is still a legitimate story that can coexist with all of the others.

Though, I personally hope it is put to bed soon.

Edit: in the interest of full disclosure, I am among those that support abolishing the monarchy altogether, so will obviously hold members of the royal family to account in the same way I do elected officials in positions of substantial power and privilege. I understand many hold different expectations of the levels of responsibility, transparency, and accountability that should be imposed on the royal family.
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Very well observed post that, mate.
 
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Phil1 said:
I can’t remember the last time I saw a photo that hadn’t been tweaked in one way or another.
Online dating must be a fucking nightmare when you rock up expecting to meet the stunner who’s profile pic you clicked on turns out not quite as expected in person.,
She just needs to get on Insta and nobody would bat an eyelid at her family photoshopped pics.
That’ll show her to be down with the peasants as well so win win.
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None of the photos of me on this site have been tweaked, I am just a good looking lad.
 
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