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Tempted to say this is the scummiest parliament, and scummiest government, I have ever seen. By miles.
I suppose modern life means people are more likely to get caught. But this is not really a new thing. Camera phones, CCTV and Social Media have been around for 15 years. And I don't recall any major change in the laws on sexual assault.
Something very disappointing about it all.
Labour should win with a focus on Economics and Corruption.
But there's no limit to what these Conservatives will do to retain power. Finkelstein is constantly demurring in The Times, but then, like the rest of them, sits back and lets it go on a little longer, a little further.
The real important thing is to stop all the nonsense drama that 'justifies' the govt pushing the boundaries. Trust in the law and institutions, the erosion of the atmosphere of social and personal responsibilit,y let's liken them to a store of emergency rations on an expedition. In the harshest conditions, you're allowed to touch them. But as a country we keep coming up with excuses to taking larger and large bites. We're just eating ourselves. Using up that which prevents us from getting that sense that it's do-or-die, every man for himself. People get more and more cynical, end up acting like animals. The way people play their game changes, even to their own detriment, they'll bare their teeth and act selfishly rather than take the time to look for opportunities to cooperate for the best outcome.
Both "The economy" and "The economy of social behaviour" become less 'economic', less success and benefit is derived overall.
People like to say it's about not spending the countries money, but that's just a fairy tail. It's about them not paying. Why should they, when things are tight. And it's as much about the next guy not getting any help. Why should he? That is the outcome of cynicism. A self-defeating mindset encompasses people.
The scary thing is, we, with historic inflation, and a shrinking economy, are nowhere near suffering the 'long term' effects. This is maybe the first or second step down a very long ladder.
But how do you get people to snap out of it? It's likely to take an awful lot more hardship and loss before enough people waiver. Ask any psychologist - self-defeating misery is apparently one of the most comfortable choices a person can make. It's quiet and dark in that hole, which is a form of peace. You know what you are getting. It is comforting in that it is a choice the effects you are secretly prepared to endure, emotionally rather different than the prospect of giving up to 'the other lot', and trying something new. I mean, what if they are right? And the group never listens to you again? That, in the mind, is the end of everything, because once upon a time it meant vastly reduced chances to reproduce and that your relatives might be at risk from exclusion or murder. So the mind figures it out, and says, "Call them loonies. Burn the blankets. Get the shovel. Dig the hole. When it gets worse, you dig deeper. But it's just one inch at a time. You'll hardly notice it. And the rest will be in the same situation."
I suppose modern life means people are more likely to get caught. But this is not really a new thing. Camera phones, CCTV and Social Media have been around for 15 years. And I don't recall any major change in the laws on sexual assault.
Something very disappointing about it all.
Labour should win with a focus on Economics and Corruption.
But there's no limit to what these Conservatives will do to retain power. Finkelstein is constantly demurring in The Times, but then, like the rest of them, sits back and lets it go on a little longer, a little further.
The real important thing is to stop all the nonsense drama that 'justifies' the govt pushing the boundaries. Trust in the law and institutions, the erosion of the atmosphere of social and personal responsibilit,y let's liken them to a store of emergency rations on an expedition. In the harshest conditions, you're allowed to touch them. But as a country we keep coming up with excuses to taking larger and large bites. We're just eating ourselves. Using up that which prevents us from getting that sense that it's do-or-die, every man for himself. People get more and more cynical, end up acting like animals. The way people play their game changes, even to their own detriment, they'll bare their teeth and act selfishly rather than take the time to look for opportunities to cooperate for the best outcome.
Both "The economy" and "The economy of social behaviour" become less 'economic', less success and benefit is derived overall.
People like to say it's about not spending the countries money, but that's just a fairy tail. It's about them not paying. Why should they, when things are tight. And it's as much about the next guy not getting any help. Why should he? That is the outcome of cynicism. A self-defeating mindset encompasses people.
The scary thing is, we, with historic inflation, and a shrinking economy, are nowhere near suffering the 'long term' effects. This is maybe the first or second step down a very long ladder.
But how do you get people to snap out of it? It's likely to take an awful lot more hardship and loss before enough people waiver. Ask any psychologist - self-defeating misery is apparently one of the most comfortable choices a person can make. It's quiet and dark in that hole, which is a form of peace. You know what you are getting. It is comforting in that it is a choice the effects you are secretly prepared to endure, emotionally rather different than the prospect of giving up to 'the other lot', and trying something new. I mean, what if they are right? And the group never listens to you again? That, in the mind, is the end of everything, because once upon a time it meant vastly reduced chances to reproduce and that your relatives might be at risk from exclusion or murder. So the mind figures it out, and says, "Call them loonies. Burn the blankets. Get the shovel. Dig the hole. When it gets worse, you dig deeper. But it's just one inch at a time. You'll hardly notice it. And the rest will be in the same situation."
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Peak podium post.
I think this is just down to the calibre of people that go into politics, they're often chancers, opportuntists and journalists or Oxbridge types. At the moment for many being an MP is just an opportunity to do a few fully expenses paid jollys followed by years of highly paid non-executive directorships and lobbyist positions where companies milk you for your contacts.
We aren't going to get anything out of this lot or the next lot. Yes there are some good MP's but is that statement really acceptable? Every single MP should be good because they're paid to do a job and more often than not they don't, virtually every single MP will have at some point voted against your best interests.
What they really want is for people to continue scrapping and arguing over which party is in power as opposed to who is in power. We see it on this forum everyday, there's a relentless attack against the Tories but the fact is the only reason why the Tories are in power is because the alternative is just as bad.
Until we get rid of this two party system or get rid of the MP system (because who actually votes for their MP?) and replace it with something functional then politics will remain irrelevant to most people. It'll be irrelevant because no matter who you vote for you're not going to get anything good out of it.
metalblue
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Extremely unlikely to abate the immediate impact of the current crisis. In fact when you consider the causes government intervention is the only solution available to the western economies.
Longer term we need a better energy security strategy but that isn’t a quick win at all although there are things we can do pretty quickly. The causes themselves are reasonably clear, input prices aren’t especially elevated - certainly not in the recent historical terms - but take a look at the diff’s markets and you start to see refining capacity is the main driver - add in the Ukraine war and an inflexible energy network and you have your perfect storm. Government policies throughout the western world has been to not pay for unused refining capacity which in turn would provide energy security. When faced with headwinds of cheaper refined product from elsewhere and environmental policies it’s not hard to see why our (and we are far from alone here) refining capacity has decreased over the years.
It’s vital the downstream oil resilience bill is passed into law as quickly as possible to give the government the powers to force refineries to restart any mothballed capacity. It won’t resolve the issues entirely but it will improve the situation. Of course it’s not going to be popular with those who have a strong interest in the environment but as a way of securing our transition to greener energy sources we are going to have to be pragmatic here or accept that we are going to have a cost of living challenge for the next 20 years - the alternative is to welcome Russia back into the international fold and that’s probably the least palatable option and it’s unlikely that would even be an option in the next couple of years.
bluethrunthru
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Thanks to the efforts of the "party of fiscal responsibility" I'd imagine come autumn it will be well into double figures - it ain't stopping at 10% and that will be just in time for another massive hike in energy bills
UK inflation hits 40-year high of 9% as energy bills soar
UK inflation rises to its highest rate for 40 years in the year to April, jumping to 9% from 7%.
www.bbc.co.uk
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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Highest tax burden for 70 years, austerity 2 just about to kick off, sleaziest government in history, lying to the public and parliament on an unpecedented scale, laws to restrict freedoms and shackle to judiciary but, always remember, as the 'free press' will always remind you: "It would be worse under Labour"..........Thanks to the efforts of the "party of fiscal responsibility" I'd imagine come autumn it will be well into double figures - it ain't stopping at 10% and that will be just in time for another massive hike in energy bills
UK inflation hits 40-year high of 9% as energy bills soar
UK inflation rises to its highest rate for 40 years in the year to April, jumping to 9% from 7%.www.bbc.co.uk
bluethrunthru
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Truss - tipped as a Johnson successor showing how thick she is and - as an aside - is getting by now the best aspiration for the post Brexit period? Whatever happened to the sunlit uplands?
bluethrunthru
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Its all a joke - a game - to these cunts