The Conservative Party

[SWP's back]

You stated someone might blame Labour for consistently crashing the economy. Which economic crash are you referring to?

Probably he used the word ‘consistently’ as Labour have never left office with the economy in a better state than the one they inherited.

It’s oretty straightforward even for a poster as one eyed as yourself.

 

[Fame Monster]

Probably he used the word ‘consistently’ as Labour have never left office with the economy in a better state than the one they inherited.

It’s oretty straightforward even for a poster as one eyed as yourself.

If that’s defined as an economic crash, that probably explains why they’re handing out economics qualifications to fucking idiots these days.

 

[Fame Monster]

Ok, I'm done with you. First you lie and make up a quote (hint: global), and then when you get called out on it you have a strop. Some people on this thread can debate. You aren't one of them.

Ok mate fair enough. I’ve not once insulted you, just offered you facts. If you don’t like it then don’t bother.

 

[Damocles]

Probably he used the word ‘consistently’ as Labour have never left office with the economy in a better state than the one they inherited.

It’s oretty straightforward even for a poster as one eyed as yourself.

Labour are the Party of social investment.

If social investment, which is good for the poorer end, was running great and the larger economy, which is great for the richer end, was running great then who exactly would vote them out?

UKIP?

That's like saying that the Tories have never left office without making the Welfare State worse. Well, yeah. Because if they were running an effective welfare state along with their ideological goals towards the middle and upper end of the social chain then who is going to vote them out?

 

[SWP's back]

Labour are the Party of social investment.

If social investment, which is good for the poorer end, was running great and the larger economy, which is great for the richer end, was running great then who exactly would vote them out?

UKIP?

That's like saying that the Tories have never left office without making the Welfare State worse. Well, yeah. Because if they were running an effective welfare state along with their ideological goals towards the middle and upper end of the social chain then who is going to vote them out?

Not sure why you are trying to explain that to me, I don't disagree with it.

All I was doing was explaining what I believed another poster meant as Fame Monster failed to grasp the point.

 

[SWP's back]

That's like saying that the Tories have never left office without making the Welfare State worse.

Which is a point more than a few posters have made in this very thread.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Probably he used the word ‘consistently’ as Labour have never left office with the economy in a better state than the one they inherited.

It’s oretty straightforward even for a poster as one eyed as yourself.

depends which paper you read I suppose

 

[SWP's back]

depends which paper you read I suppose

That doesn't actually back up any point, you know that right.

Deficit and economic strength are two very different things and there's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with a country running a deficit whether the left or right is in government.

(It's also worth noting that the Tories have reduced the deficit they inherited in 2010 by 80%)

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

That doesn't actually back up any point, you know that right.

Deficit and economic strength are two very different things and there's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with a country running a deficit whether the left or right is in government.

(It's also worth noting that the Tories have reduced the deficit they inherited in 2010 by 80%)

By increasing the debt by over £700 Billion, to over £2 Trillion and growing at over £5000 per second? It’s hardly the economics of geniuses is it?

 

[SWP's back]

By increasing the debt by over £700 Billion, to over £2 Trillion and growing at over £5000 per second? It’s hardly the economics of geniuses is it?

Oh ffs this again - I'll just copy and paste my previous explanation about deficit and debt for the hard of thinking such as yourself:

What?

No.

Debt will ALWAYS increase whilst the country is in deficit. The rate of increase has reduced though.

Trust me, I have some experience dealing with figures.

You take over a company with debts of £100m and an annual loss of £10m per year.
You reduce the losses by 50% in your first year to £5m per year however your debt has risen to £105m,
In the second year you reduce the losses again by 50% to £2.5m per year but again your debt has increased to £107.5m.

Until you start making a profit (i.e. surplus in a national sense) then your debt will keep increasing.

The UK deficit is now 1.8% of UK GDP and is now the lowest it has been since 2002 (as a percentage of GDP). It has reduced hugely from 2010 when the Tories took over and it was 9.9% of GDP.

Let me know if you still don't understand this very very simple premise. Once you do, then you'll find your post really wasn't the slam dunk you thought it was and actually makes you look a little silly.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Oh ffs this again - I'll just copy and paste my previous explanation about deficit and debt for the hard of thinking such as yourself:



Let me know if you still don't understand this very very simple premise. Once you do, then you'll find your post really wasn't the slam dunk you thought it was and actually makes you look a little silly.

Why are you such an angry fucker? It’s Sunday morning, chill out a bit.
As for me not understanding, I can assure you that I do. The debt argument, whilst undoubtedly bogus, is the very first argument that will be used for not electing a Labour government, especially a Corbyn one. Mention debt and the country get all wobbly! That’s why government running surpluses is pointless, as long as the debt is serviceable.
The real crime of the conservative government was not increasing the debt by more instead of pursuing austerity, whilst achieving not one of its supposed goals. To be honest, this is the real problem with all ideology driven politics. “I might be able to see its right/better, but I can’t do it because I don’t believe in it,” must be one of the biggest curses the politicians bring to the table.
No supposed slam dunk there, by the way, just my opinion.

 

[SWP's back]

The real crime of the conservative government was not increasing the debt by more instead of pursuing austerity, whilst achieving not one of its supposed goals. To be honest, this is the real problem with all ideology driven politics. “I might be able to see its right/better, but I can’t do it because I don’t believe in it,” must be one of the biggest curses the politicians bring to the table.
No supposed slam dunk there, by the way, just my opinion.

I don't disagree.

 

[bluethrunthru]

another Sunday - another volley from a senior Tory in the papers. If there are more cabinet resignations then surely Mayday is fucked. All in all I have to say as I watch them not so much fall apart more completely destroy themselves the only thing those agitators can be certain of is they will get their way with us leaving the EU but the price they will pay is likely to be the Conservative Party itself.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Oh ffs this again - I'll just copy and paste my previous explanation about deficit and debt for the hard of thinking such as yourself:



Let me know if you still don't understand this very very simple premise. Once you do, then you'll find your post really wasn't the slam dunk you thought it was and actually makes you look a little silly.

It's been explained ad nauseum, but some are now wilfully ignoring it, after so many detailed explanations I'm
not having it that people are that thick.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Did you know the Conservatives have borrowed more in the last 7 years than ALL Labour Governments did in all their 33 years in government combined!

Conservatives: £670 Billion (2010-17)
Labour: £500 Billion (past 33 years)

Source: The Bank of England

 

[Henkeman]

Did you know the Conservatives have borrowed more in the last 7 years than ALL Labour Governments did in all their 33 years in government combined!

Conservatives: £670 Billion (2010-17)
Labour: £500 Billion (past 33 years)

Source: The Bank of England

Obviously. With a 10% deficit what did you expect them to do? It's hardly a choice.

 

[Jalfraag]

Did you know the Conservatives have borrowed more in the last 7 years than ALL Labour Governments did in all their 33 years in government combined!

Conservatives: £670 Billion (2010-17)
Labour: £500 Billion (past 33 years)

Source: The Bank of England

You've just joined the hard of thinking gang.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Did you know the Conservatives have borrowed more in the last 7 years than ALL Labour Governments did in all their 33 years in government combined!

Conservatives: £670 Billion (2010-17)
Labour: £500 Billion (past 33 years)

Source: The Bank of England

Dearie me

 

[Damocles]

Did you know the Conservatives have borrowed more in the last 7 years than ALL Labour Governments did in all their 33 years in government combined!

Conservatives: £670 Billion (2010-17)
Labour: £500 Billion (past 33 years)

Source: The Bank of England

SWPs gonna nut you

 

[hilts]

Did you know the Conservatives have borrowed more in the last 7 years than ALL Labour Governments did in all their 33 years in government combined!

Conservatives: £670 Billion (2010-17)
Labour: £500 Billion (past 33 years)

Source: The Bank of England

Haha you daft twat.