The Conservative Party

bluenova said:
The mention of 15 minute cities was a concern. That's taken a real hold in the post-covid conspiracy world, and is the kind of thing you'd expect from some of the more dangerous US Republicans.

There are many in the Tory party who would welcome our democracy heading the way of the US, which is a scary thought.
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Yep, I had the exact same reaction.

“15 min cities” is the latest conspiracy whack job buzz phrase.

I think it was Rory Stewart or maybe Jon Sopel - one of the political podcasts I listen to anyway - called him a “populist technocrat”
 
west didsblue said:
And worse than Italy, Japan, Canada, the US and the Eurozone as a whole. So we’re no longer bottom of the G7. Seeing as Germany have been absolutely hammered by the Ukraine war due to their dependency on Russian gas, it’s no surprise they’re not doing too well at the moment. Hopefully we’ll maintain this growth but most predictions (including OECD and IMF) have us at or near the bottom of the table for 2024 and 2025.

Either way it’s not going to save the Tories who are resorting to getting involved in populist nonsense interfering with perceived unpopular local government policies and ditching anything perceived as “woke” like initiatives related to addressing climate change.

At the end of the day not enough people are going to forgive them for partying during Covid, all the corruption, the NHS crisis and the mishandling of immigration/asylum, even if they mange to salvage the economy and throw a few tax cuts at those that need them least.
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It’s an easy narrative around Germany’s poor performance, but the data on energy prices actually tell a different story.

The energy price increases for non-households since the beginning of 2022 have been pretty much the same in Germany and the UK, but the data for households are very different.

The peak increase in energy prices for households in Germany since the start of the Ukraine war topped out at about 40%, and they’re currently about 35% above the end 2021 level. For the UK the peak increase figure was 90%, and prices are still almost 60% above the end-21 level. So I would suggest that the divergence between Germany and the UK is not just an energy issue.
 
west didsblue said:
And worse than Italy, Japan, Canada, the US and the Eurozone as a whole. So we’re no longer bottom of the G7. Seeing as Germany have been absolutely hammered by the Ukraine war due to their dependency on Russian gas, it’s no surprise they’re not doing too well at the moment. Hopefully we’ll maintain this growth but most predictions (including OECD and IMF) have us at or near the bottom of the table for 2024 and 2025.

Either way it’s not going to save the Tories who are resorting to getting involved in populist nonsense interfering with perceived unpopular local government policies and ditching anything perceived as “woke” like initiatives related to addressing climate change.

At the end of the day not enough people are going to forgive them for partying during Covid, all the corruption, the NHS crisis and the mishandling of immigration/asylum, even if they mange to salvage the economy and throw a few tax cuts at those that need them least.
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Does this not prove though that comparing countries by GDP growth rate is completely pointless?

Norway has a much smaller GDP and a slow rate of growth right now. The US and China meanwhile are the largest economies and have high growth rates but would you rather live in those countries or in Norway?

As a country and as voters we need to stop attaching economic performance and wellbeing to GDP. We need to grow smart and not grow fast and in fact not growing at all is better if that assures the wellbeing of the population.

Unfortunately at the moment UK economic policy is to batter the population AND have shit growth.
 
Brewster's millions said:
It’s an easy narrative around Germany’s poor performance, but the data on energy prices actually tell a different story.

The energy price increases for non-households since the beginning of 2022 have been pretty much the same in Germany and the UK, but the data for households are very different.

The peak increase in energy prices for households in Germany since the start of the Ukraine war topped out at about 40%, and they’re currently about 35% above the end 2021 level. For the UK the peak increase figure was 90%, and prices are still almost 60% above the end-21 level. So I would suggest that the divergence between Germany and the UK is not just an energy issue.
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It’s not just the price. Germany had to make a huge effort to cut consumption due to supply issues which certainly wasn’t going to help GDP, plus our GDP was artificially boosted by the fact that we imported much of Europe’s LNG due to having the port facilities and then re-exporting it via pipelines around Europe. GDP figures on their own don’t tell the whole story about the real underlying growth and performance of the economy.
 
Quick question…..i don’t follow politics and was wondering - on the Radio it said that the Conservative Party Conference will bring on £20m to Manchester. My question is how?

As far as i’m aware, there’s not 60,000 - 70,000 Conservative supporters that follow them everywhere and buy up all hotel rooms is there?

Plus won’t the Manchester Central room hire, hotels, food, drink and all the police security be at the tax payers cost?

I may be wrong but how are a few toff’s from London pumping £20,000,000 into the Manchester exonomy over a few days?
 
Man-chester copperpot said:
Quick question…..i don’t follow politics and was wondering - on the Radio it said that the Conservative Party Conference will bring on £20m to Manchester. My question is how?

As far as i’m aware, there’s not 60,000 - 70,000 Conservative supporters that follow them everywhere and buy up all hotel rooms is there?

Plus won’t the Manchester Central room hire, hotels, food, drink and all the police security be at the tax payers cost?

I may be wrong but how are a few toff’s from London pumping £20,000,000 into the Manchester exonomy over a few days?
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The police costs might be public expenditure but not the conference costs. Not unless they've scammed us again somehow.
 
Vic said:
The police costs might be public expenditure but not the conference costs. Not unless they've scammed us again somehow.
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Jesus, they should have had the conference at the Embassy club in Harpurhey and stayed in a Travel Lodge - could have saved themselves £19,800,000 ;-)
 
west didsblue said:
It’s not just the price. Germany had to make a huge effort to cut consumption due to supply issues which certainly wasn’t going to help GDP, plus our GDP was artificially boosted by the fact that we imported much of Europe’s LNG due to having the port facilities and then re-exporting it via pipelines around Europe. GDP figures on their own don’t tell the whole story about the real underlying growth and performance of the economy.
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Importing and then exporting the same product doesn’t boost GDP, particularly when the UK can’t store the LNG and therefore can’t capitalise on rising prices.

In fact the UK’s trade deficit on natural gas ballooned last year as the increase in imports dwarfed the increase in exports.
 
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