The Conservative Party

Mike N said:
They’ve managed to come up with a choice of two complete shits! No chance at the next election.
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They almost certainly will have a chance. Labour won a majority from a low turnout and an election where the opposition was split. More people voted Tory+Reform than did Labour.

If the Tories bring in a figure who can unite the right then Reform are made pointless and much of that vote will go to the Tories.

The real question is whether the votes of those people who voted Lib Dem instead of Tory will be lost forever but I doubt it'll make as much of a difference as the votes lost to Reform.
 
inbetween said:
They almost certainly will have a chance. Labour won a majority from a low turnout and an election where the opposition was split. More people voted Tory+Reform than did Labour.

If the Tories bring in a figure who can unite the right then Reform are made pointless and much of that vote will go to the Tories.

The real question is whether the votes of those people who voted Lib Dem instead of Tory will be lost forever but I doubt it'll make as much of a difference as the votes lost to Reform.
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It's not going to be the exact same people in five years time. A significant number of reform's voters will be ineligible to vote...because they'll have passed away.

Old angry men don't live long lives.
 
inbetween said:
They almost certainly will have a chance. Labour won a majority from a low turnout and an election where the opposition was split. More people voted Tory+Reform than did Labour.

If the Tories bring in a figure who can unite the right then Reform are made pointless and much of that vote will go to the Tories.

The real question is whether the votes of those people who voted Lib Dem instead of Tory will be lost forever but I doubt it'll make as much of a difference as the votes lost to Reform.
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The Gaza situation lost Labour a lot of votes too that may return, depending on the situation.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
It's not going to be the exact same people in five years time. A significant number of reform's voters will be ineligible to vote...because they'll have passed away.

Old angry men don't live long lives.
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We've had 5 elections over the last 15-20 years and only 1 of them has seen Labour achieve anything remotely resembling power. The key factor for the Tory wins in all of those elections was the right were mostly united. In that time we also had Brexit which came to be shaped by the policies of Reform and 17.5m voted for it. With Farage in Parliament that sentiment is only going to grow again.

Labour won because people were sick of the Tories however at this rate people are already becoming sick of Labour. Obviously it's early days and it's almost pointless talking about it but the direction of travel isn't looking good.

I was hopeful but it's becoming clear that Starmer is not Tony Blair and it's questionable whether he will be bold enough. It feels like his appeal is going to wane and well if things stay the same then the next election will just be Starmers Cameron-esque government versus a Tory led faction that potentially includes Farage's Reform. There will only be one winner.

I wouldn't vote for it but I think the only opponent who could challenge against this would be a Corbyn character.
 
inbetween said:
We've had 5 elections over the last 15-20 years and only 1 of them has seen Labour achieve anything remotely resembling power. The key factor for the Tory wins in all of those elections was the right were mostly united. In that time we also had Brexit which came to be shaped by the policies of Reform and 17.5m voted for it. With Farage in Parliament that sentiment is only going to grow again.

Labour won because people were sick of the Tories however at this rate people are already becoming sick of Labour. Obviously it's early days and it's almost pointless talking about it but the direction of travel isn't looking good.

I was hopeful but it's becoming clear that Starmer is not Tony Blair and it's questionable whether he will be bold enough. It feels like his appeal is going to wane and well if things stay the same then the next election will just be Starmers Cameron-esque government versus a Tory led faction that potentially includes Farage's Reform. There will only be one winner.

I wouldn't vote for it but I think the only opponent who could challenge against this would be a Corbyn character.
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Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that the vast majority of the electorate are in the centre ground and the choice of the blue rinse brigade is what shade of darkest blue do they want to lead them?
Many thousands of centre right voters who haven't already deserted the self servatives will judging by the choice of leader they have.
Currently 121 MP's, don't be surprised if that halves after the next GE
 
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