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[bluethrunthru]

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They don't care they are slashing and burning everything - the only criteria for survival - your organisation must make money, contribute to Conservative Party funds and devoutly believe in Brexit

 

[bluethrunthru]

Awks.....

Bank governor under fire for role in RBS scandal

Bank of England governor Andrew Bailey is accused of not disclosing a potential conflict of interest.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Yeah, the problem with trying to make all protests illegal, is that if people believe strongly enough about something they will protest anyway and you then get that the clusterfuck that was yesterday where predominantly male police officers waded into a vigil held to highlight violence against women.

All day you had the Govt and Home Sec trying to stop a peaceful vigil within Covid guidelines and then act ’shocked’ when the police stomp in and start arresting women holding tealights and flowers.

The biggest danger to our society is the sheer stupidity and bigotry of the people in charge and the culture that enables this stupidity.

Waiting for 'Fathers4Justice'' to become a Proscribed Terrorist Organisation'' any day soon.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Awks.....

Bank governor under fire for role in RBS scandal

Bank of England governor Andrew Bailey is accused of not disclosing a potential conflict of interest.

www.bbc.co.uk

Lying? Will be right at home in this Government.

 

[Rascal]

Or actually are you in favour of the socialist Labour ideology which really is to erode defence?

Where on earth did you come up with that?

 

[blue cigar]

The police bill to be railroaded through parliament. The nasty party strike again.

I didn't vote for these cunts I'm proud to say

 

[inbetween]

You should already know that two major defence procurement programmes affecting our employer were both cancelled by the Tories in 1986 and 2010. In both cases they just spent the same again on inferior US equipment instead, after development of the British alternatives was nearly complete. They have a long history of not supporting UK industry and handing money to the Americans instead.

UK reportedly to cut F-35B order by 65 percent

The Sunday Times has reported that the UK is likely only to purchase 48 F-35B jets.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Not necessarily true though mate, I agree defence capability has lessened compared to the past but it's a result of change beyond traditional arms and the fact still is we are spending more than we ever have. As you know programmes like Nimrod were plagued with problems and were never going to survive whilst a far cheaper and superior off the shelf solution existed.

F-35 is a little different given there is a UK workshare and Typhoon is more than capable of going up against it but Tempest should change that game again. If the government announced that they were abandoning Tempest then I'd wholeheartedly agree but they are seemingly investing heavily in it which must be welcomed.

The only thing I'll say on the political side is I don't support the Tories but we haven't been given much choice and that's why they were voted in. Labour suffered their worst election loss in decades and it didn't surprise me given it's probably the first time I've heard union stewards quietly recommending for people not to vote Labour! Only people in industry will understand why. Corbyn wanted to cancel Trident and without Trident there is no need for nuclear armed submarines, and there goes tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs. How could the unions go for that??

What the left really want is for defence work to diversify but not for jobs but rather to implement an ideology where defence is no longer needed (or therefore viable). That's why Corbyn's only plan for defence was to implement a defence diversification agency to redirect jobs away because he knew full well that jobs would be lost as a result of his policies.

 

[Rascal]

What the left really want is for defence work to diversify but not for jobs but rather to implement an ideology where defence is no longer needed (or therefore viable). That's why Corbyn's only plan for defence was to implement a defence diversification agency to redirect jobs away because he knew full well that jobs would be lost as a result of his policies.

Where are you coming up with this from?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

UK reportedly to cut F-35B order by 65 percent

The Sunday Times has reported that the UK is likely only to purchase 48 F-35B jets.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Not necessarily true though mate, I agree defence capability has lessened compared to the past but it's a result of change beyond traditional arms and the fact still is we are spending more than we ever have. As you know programmes like Nimrod were plagued with problems and were never going to survive whilst a far cheaper and superior off the shelf solution existed.

F-35 is a little different given there is a UK workshare and Typhoon is more than capable of going up against it but Tempest should change that game again. If the government announced that they were abandoning Tempest then I'd wholeheartedly agree but they are seemingly investing heavily in it which must be welcomed.

The only thing I'll say on the political side is I don't support the Tories but we haven't been given much choice and that's why they were voted in. Labour suffered their worst election loss in decades and it didn't surprise me given it's probably the first time I've heard union stewards quietly recommending for people not to vote Labour! Only people in industry will understand why. Corbyn wanted to cancel Trident and without Trident there is no need for nuclear armed submarines, and there goes tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs. How could the unions go for that??

What the left really want is for defence work to diversify but not for jobs but rather to implement an ideology where defence is no longer needed (or therefore viable). That's why Corbyn's only plan for defence was to implement a defence diversification agency to redirect jobs away because he knew full well that jobs would be lost as a result of his policies.

Thats not right tho.... Corbyn and the Labour Party never suggested the scrapping of Trident.... in the manifesto we committed to

• 2% of GDP on defence as per NATO requirements
• Like for Like replacement of Trident
  
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[west didsblue]

UK reportedly to cut F-35B order by 65 percent

The Sunday Times has reported that the UK is likely only to purchase 48 F-35B jets.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Not necessarily true though mate, I agree defence capability has lessened compared to the past but it's a result of change beyond traditional arms and the fact still is we are spending more than we ever have. As you know programmes like Nimrod were plagued with problems and were never going to survive whilst a far cheaper and superior off the shelf solution existed.

F-35 is a little different given there is a UK workshare and Typhoon is more than capable of going up against it but Tempest should change that game again. If the government announced that they were abandoning Tempest then I'd wholeheartedly agree but they are seemingly investing heavily in it which must be welcomed.

The only thing I'll say on the political side is I don't support the Tories but we haven't been given much choice and that's why they were voted in. Labour suffered their worst election loss in decades and it didn't surprise me given it's probably the first time I've heard union stewards quietly recommending for people not to vote Labour! Only people in industry will understand why. Corbyn wanted to cancel Trident and without Trident there is no need for nuclear armed submarines, and there goes tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs. How could the unions go for that??

What the left really want is for defence work to diversify but not for jobs but rather to implement an ideology where defence is no longer needed (or therefore viable). That's why Corbyn's only plan for defence was to implement a defence diversification agency to redirect jobs away because he knew full well that jobs would be lost as a result of his policies.

The problems plaguing Nimrod MRA4 were largely resolved and the remaining ones were blown out of all proportion to justify the cancellation in 2010. The replacement is most certainly not a superior product either.

 

[mat]

The police bill to be railroaded through parliament. The nasty party strike again.

I didn't vote for these cunts I'm proud to say

I'm going to watch the debate and see how many Tory MPs lie about the vigil on Saturday to justify voting for the bill. I can see Trumpian BS blaming left wing/ liberal/Antifa/BLM to justify them voting to give the Home Bully more powers to do so.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I'm going to watch the debate and see how many Tory MPs lie about the vigil on Saturday to justify voting for the bill. I can see Trumpian BS blaming left wing/ liberal/Antifa/BLM to justify them voting to give the Home Bully more powers to do so.

Yet vigils on the same night passed by without any issues - - these left wing/liberal/Antifa/BLM revolutionaries can't be much of a threat if they can't co-ordinate their revolutionary activities eh?

In Pictures: Sarah Everard vigils held across country

Official events were called off because of Covid rules, but people still gathered to pay tribute.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Vic]

... Corbyn wanted to cancel Trident and without Trident there is no need for nuclear armed submarines, and there goes tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs. How could the unions go for that??

Hundreds of thousands of jobs?

Nonsense. Of all the defence spending that might be done, Trident will be the one that gives least jobs per buck. (I use "buck" seeing a lot of the billions will be spent on American missiles.)

In any case, we have to get over the utter nonsense that making weapons is a workfare scheme. It's the military-industrial complex again. Peace isn't good for jobs. As said of Caligula, “because he lacked an enemy, a great and extraordinary mission was prepared to seek an enemy” (John of Salisbury, 1159).

 

[inbetween]

Hundreds of thousands of jobs?

Nonsense. Of all the defence spending that might be done, Trident will be the one that gives least jobs per buck. (I use "buck" seeing a lot of the billions will be spent on American missiles.)

In any case, we have to get over the utter nonsense that making weapons is a workfare scheme. It's the military-industrial complex again. Peace isn't good for jobs. As said of Caligula, “because he lacked an enemy, a great and extraordinary mission was prepared to seek an enemy” (John of Salisbury, 1159).

Trident doesn't just involve missiles, development of the submarines is where a lot of the money is going and the entirety of that involves UK manufacturing and technology. The Dreadnought programme (forget the missiles) is going to be worth £40 billion+ to UK industry.

How much of that money will be returned to local areas and the taxman over the 30+ years of service? Think of Barrow, 9,000 are employed to build the submarines there so what will happen to Barrow if that program ends suddenly? The place would be nothing more than a ghost town and thousands of people would be looking for new jobs that don't exist.

It's fine saying that defence shouldn't be a job industry but the fact is that's what it is. I always find that people of the left persuasion are oblivious to reality and in this case the reality is ending Trident makes people redundant. Since when has Labour, the party of the working class advocated for job losses of the working classes?

If we are to replace that with investment in something else then fair enough but I seriously doubt that's the argument.

 

[Vic]

Trident doesn't just involve missiles, development of the submarines is where a lot of the money is going and the entirety of that involves UK manufacturing and technology. The Dreadnought programme (forget the missiles) is going to be worth £40 billion+ to UK industry.

How much of that money will be returned to local areas and the taxman over the 30+ years of service? Think of Barrow, 9,000 are employed to build the submarines there so what will happen to Barrow if that program ends suddenly? The place would be nothing more than a ghost town and thousands of people would be looking for new jobs that don't exist.

It's fine saying that defence shouldn't be a job industry but the fact is that's what it is. I always find that people of the left persuasion are oblivious to reality and in this case the reality is ending Trident makes people redundant. Since when has Labour, the party of the working class advocated for job losses of the working classes?

If we are to replace that with investment in something else then fair enough but I seriously doubt that's the argument.

There are not 9,000 people in Barrow building Dreadnought submarines. Even if there were, that's at least £5 million per job. You could give those workers £1,000 a week for 20 years for doing nothing and you'd still save £40bn compared to actually building the subs.

http://www.nucleareducationtrust.org/sites/default/files/Barrow%20NET%20report%20volume%201%20131212.pdf

 

[mat]

Fucking Patel.

She sounds even more sarcastic when trying to sound sympathetic.

"I don't appreciate the tone of your question", seems to be the go to gaslight any opposition member asking a question like "why is the government so incompetent"

 

[bluethrunthru]

Fucking Patel.

She sounds even more sarcastic when trying to sound sympathetic.

"I don't appreciate the tone of your question", seems to be the go to gaslight any opposition member asking a question like "why is the government so incompetent"

The problem is she, Johnson and Dick ( thats two different people honest lol ) are put in this position by what was pointed out on Saturday night a cack handed Police action - bad optics which I said at the time will come back to haunt them.
If this was so wrong then why didn't the Police move in numbers into the following nights protests in Parliament square? Coz they knew they had fucked up thats why.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

The problem is she, Johnson and Dick ( thats two different people honest lol ) are put in this position by what was pointed out on Saturday night a cack handed Police action - bad optics which I said at the time will come back to haunt them.
If this was so wrong then why didn't the Police move in numbers into the following nights protests in Parliament square? Coz they knew they had fucked up thats why.

I think that there was a very clear decision to take this hard line. There have been hundreds of gatherings / protests / celebrations over teh last year. What do teh police do? Mostly nothing when it gets too big. This one was clearly singled out for special treatment. That would only come from the top (Johnson/Patel/Dick). They have fucked up but as always they will ride it out.

 

[mat]

Giving the police more powers and protection over the people.

This bill seems a bit distasteful considering last week's events.

 

[urban genie]