The Conservative Party

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

With your eagerness to get possible emerging policies of the Conservatives onto the forum for us all to consider - I am surprised that you have not been bringing this move to our attention:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50925321

If, as seems probable, it has more substance to it than your normal fayre - will you be objective and welcome it as a path to benefitting the North?

Or will you just further demonstrate your hatred of all things Tory and utter lack of objectivity and balance?

I'll believe it when I see it ....... Is this a a remake of Gideon Osbornes' 'Northern Powerhouse 2' ............and we all know how that ended up.


But like everything the Tories do ..... (or don't do) its unlikely to ever come to fruition.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Well - based on the evidence to date……..

He does not even know that it is good sense to read beyond the headlines of the links that he chooses to post

But I am sure that he does not need you to speak on his behalf - your input here does not offer any insight other than to your own very narrow bias and prejudices

As I consider myself to be a potentially 'genuine Labour supporter' - you know - someone who would like to see the party to be in a position of power and therefore to be able to bring forward and implement policy as opposed to, seemingly like you, some purist leftie that is content to be simply part of a protest group - I would be somewhat anxious about Johnson taking the opportunity that he has to take advantage of the damage done to the LP by Corbyn, Momentum and people like you.

I would be anxious that - with minimal effort - he could do things in the coming months that would evidence to long-standing Labour voters doing more for the regions than Labour have done or are likely to in a position to do for a long time - and thereby see the fracturing of the 'red wall' become a full-scale landslide.

I doubt Labour can ever recover in Scotland from what has taken place......

I can see the same happening in the Midlands and North if the party does not soon wake up and stop heeding idiotic and narrow-minded protestors who cannot even visit, let alone live in, the real world

I expect nothing other from you but to try and obfuscate in your insecurity - or is it more lack of awareness or the recklessness of purism

As I consider myself to be of the profile of someone that is more of a genuine Labour Party supporter - rather than some ideological narrow thinker like you.

I am concerned to see Labour develop towards being electable - at least being a genuine opposition/alternative and able to influence/bring forward and implement policies rather than further entrench into a purist protest group.

Once the momentum towards a marginalised party is established it will become unstoppable. Thankfully the LibDems were trounced at the GE - but 5-10 years from now I predict that either they or Labour will be an effective Centre-Left opposition and that it will be the appointment of the next Labour leader that will determine which one

Waffle, dither and fudge.

As is the case with anything you don't understand or refuse to engage with for fear of exposing the vacuity of your argument, you end up re-stating, for the umpteenth time, a list of your all too familiar prejudices.

I've been involved in what is laughingly called regional development for around fifteen years, what the Tories call "throwing good money after bad". I know what I'm talking about, you don't.

There's a reason we have such huge regional differences in wealth and life chances in this country, there's a reason Manchester has no tube system, there's a reason Churchill pulled down most of the Festival of Britain buildings and tore up regional development plans in the early 50s, why our rail system is expensive and doesn't work.

You might rejoice in private affluence, public squalor, but you and I both know that what Johnson is offering is nothing more than a fig leaf for his bullshit.

If Johnson does send some Maundy money up north, it will be nothing more than gesture politics to shore up his political gains. Come back when he has a fully fledged regional development policy backed up with long term commitment and secure funding, otherwise he can fuck off and you can follow him.

 

[mcfc1632]

Waffle, dither and fudge.

As is the case with anything you don't understand or refuse to engage with for fear of exposing the vacuity of your argument, you end up re-stating, for the umpteenth time, a list of your all too familiar prejudices.

I've been involved in what is laughingly called regional development for around fifteen years, what the Tories call "throwing good money after bad". I know what I'm talking about, you don't.

There's a reason we have such huge regional differences in wealth and life chances in this country, there's a reason Manchester has no tube system, there's a reason Churchill pulled down most of the Festival of Britain buildings and tore up regional development plans in the early 50s, why our rail system is expensive and doesn't work.

You might rejoice in private affluence, public squalor, but you and I both know that what Johnson is offering is nothing more than a fig leaf for his bullshit.

If Johnson does send some Maundy money up north, it will be nothing more than gesture politics to shore up his political gains. Come back when he has a fully fledged regional development policy backed up with long term commitment and secure funding, otherwise he can fuck off and you can follow him.

My apologies - I had thought that I had been clear in my expectations of your stance and that:

"...….your input here does not offer any insight other than to your own very narrow bias and prejudices...."

How can you read that and interpret it to mean anything other than I hold only contempt for your views and concern for the damage that people like you have done to date to the Labour party and the level that damage will extend to if 'those of your ilk' continue to hold sway over the party.

Those who genuinely care for the health of the Labour Party and UK politics in general, need to challenge the poison that you and others represent and the damage that you would happily do in the pursuit of your warped and so out-of-date ideologies.

The damage you have already done was clearly reflected in the GE outcome - you would see the party diminished entirely to satisfy your purist nonsense.

You and others like you are the poison that will kill the Labour Party - it is already in terminal decline.

My posts are not aimed at you - or the likes of @Ifwecouldjust....... - so your responses are just evidence of you blathering in denial of the truth that is obvious to most moderate people. My posts are aimed at the moderate people on here - those that need to resist your deliberate wrecking of the Labour Party.

 

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My apologies - I had thought that I had been clear in my expectations of your stance and that:

"...….your input here does not offer any insight other than to your own very narrow bias and prejudices...."

How can you read that and interpret it to mean anything other than I hold only contempt for your views and concern for the damage that people like you have done to date to the Labour party and the level that damage will extend to if 'those of your ilk' continue to hold sway over the party.

Those who genuinely care for the health of the Labour Party and UK politics in general need to challenge the poison that you and others represent and the damage that you would happily do in the pursuit of your warped and so out-of-date ideologies. The damage you have already done is clearly reflected in the GE outcome - you would see the party diminished entirely to satisfy your purist nonsense.

You and others like you are the poison that will kill the Labour Party - it is already in terminal decline.

My posts are not aimed at you - or the likes of @Ifwecouldjust....... - so your responses are just evidence of you blathering in denial of the truth that is obvious to most moderate people. My posts are aimed at the moderate people on here - those that need to resist your deliberate wrecking of the Labour Party.

For fuck sake! Do you have no self awareness at all!

How long did you waste typing this? I just nailed your arse to the wall, exposing how you post the same vacuous bullshit over and over again, and your response? The same vacuous bullshit.

I repeat.....

If Johnson does send some Maundy money up north, it will be nothing more than gesture politics to shore up his political gains. Come back when he has a fully fledged regional development policy backed up with long term commitment and secure funding, otherwise he can fuck off and you can follow him.

Answer it or take a hike.

 

[mcfc1632]

For fuck sake! Do you have no self awareness at all!

How long did you waste typing this? I just nailed your arse to the wall, exposing how you post the same vacuous bullshit over and over again, and your response? The same vacuous bullshit.

I repeat.....


Answer it or take a hike.

Clearly more self-awareness than you

You have 'nailed my arse to a wall'?? Strange - all I read was desperate blathering

But as I say - my posts are not 'for' you - they are intended to be just a part of exposing you for the illness that you represent for the Labour Party.

You have no power to impact or bother me as I hold your every post in contempt and your every attack and insult as evidence of your insecurity and self-doubt

But, as I am in Windermere for a few days, I may indeed take your advice on this occasion.

 

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Clearly more self-awareness than you

You have 'nailed my arse to a wall'?? Strange - all I read was desperate blathering

But as I say my posts are not 'for' you - they are intended to expose you for the illness that you are for the Labour Party.

You have no power to impact or bother me as I hold your every post in contempt and your every attack and insult as evidence of your insecurity and self-doubt

But, as I am in Windermere for a few days, I may indeed take your advice on this occasion.

Pathetic.

 

[mcfc1632]

Pathetic.

Wow - I am devastated by your incisive put-down !!

 

[urban genie]

Far right group britain first have announced It's membership of around 7500 has dwindled down to about a third as nearly 5000 members have moved to the tory party, with most citing johnsons opinions on islam and the partys move to the right as reason.

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rst-far-right-members-5000-have-joined-tories

Britain First says 5,000 of its members have joined Tories

Far-right defectors ‘support Boris Johnson’s stance on radical Islam’

More than 5,000 supporters of a far-right extremist group have joined the Conservative party in recent weeks, attracted by what they describe as Boris Johnson’s negative attitude towards Islam.

About two-thirds of the 7,500 signed-up members of the openly anti-Islam Britain First have joined the Tories since the general election, the group says.

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rst-far-right-members-5000-have-joined-tories

Britain First says 5,000 of its members have joined Tories

Far-right defectors ‘support Boris Johnson’s stance on radical Islam’

More than 5,000 supporters of a far-right extremist group have joined the Conservative party in recent weeks, attracted by what they describe as Boris Johnson’s negative attitude towards Islam.

About two-thirds of the 7,500 signed-up members of the openly anti-Islam Britain First have joined the Tories since the general election, the group says.

I imagine them two being sent down didn't help matters