The Conservative Party

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Worry not mate, in your head you guys rule ;-)

No, but I know the difference between the post war consensus, third way politics, one nation conservatism, neoliberalism, populism, corporatism, socialism, communism and all the other isms'.

 

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In what way was Blair's huge majority not a huge majority.... this should be good.

In 1997? It was a huge majority.

 

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New Labour critics say they overspent, Cameron’s critics say they underspent and enforced austerity (which they did), they were very different governments.

Not really.

 

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No, but I know the difference between the post war consensus, third way politics, one nation conservatism, neoliberalism, populism, corporatism, socialism, communism and all the other isms'.

Satonthesidelineshowlingatthemoon....ism?

 

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Satonthesidelineshowlingatthemoon....ism?

Now you're being silly.

 

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Now you're being silly.

Always.

 

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Not really.

Yes really.

They both operated in a capitalist society but Blairism was investment and overspending and Cameron was austerity.

They’re not the same at all, unless you’re a Trotskyist or a fascist, then they look identical from your position so far away.

 

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Yes really.

They both operated in a capitalist society but Blairism was investment and overspending and Cameron was austerity.

They’re not the same at all, unless you’re a Trotskyist or a fascist, then they look identical from your position so far away.

Economically conservative, socially liberal, essentially they're the same.

 

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Economically conservative, socially liberal, essentially they're the same.

I’d argue that Cameron and Osbourne’s economic policy was a lot more conservative, therefore achieving significant difference from Blair.

Both supported the same system but Blair invested when the economy was booming and Cameron cut when the economy wasn’t and we had a huge deficit.

The better method would have been to do the opposite but that would have required someone to be in power for both decades and plan effectively.

You’re right on the social policy, they’re practically the same people in that regard.

 

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I’d argue that Cameron and Osbourne’s economic policy was a lot more conservative, therefore achieving significant difference from Blair.

Both supported the same system but Blair invested when the economy was booming and Cameron cut when the economy wasn’t and we had a huge deficit.

The better method would have been to do the opposite but that would have required someone to be in power for both decades and plan effectively.

You’re right on the social policy, they’re practically the same people in that regard.

What governments do and what they stand for are not one and the same, triangulation, zeitgeist and "events dear boy, events" muddy the waters.

Johnson has just won a hefty majority, but did Johnsonism win it? Not really, no one has a clue what he stands for (well I do, but I'm a fucking genius). Did Blairism win in 97? Blair did indeed win, but can anyone say John Smith would not had he lived, and had he won would that have been an endorsement of Smithism?

After the crash Brown tinkered with Keynesianism, Cameron with austerity, now Boris is talking a bit Keynes but he's most likely telling fibs, it's all very Blairy, Camerony, Hayeky, Thatcherite, Trumpy, neoliberal, make it up as you go along populism now.

The only absolute is the masses are going to get fucked.