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I really hope that this is a genuine shift. Increasingly, there is a rejection by young people of the politics of the Daily Mail, Daily Express, Telegraph and the output of GB News. The rise of social media has meant that those publications are now generally not believed, and their influence is waning, considerably. Live evidence is now available quicker than the papers can report, and often contradicts the editorial line.

Interestingly, and I think this is where the real failure is, the Conservative party has chosen a far-right narrative to combat the swing. While it may appease a small base of their supporters, it increasingly alienates the younger generation from voting for them.
Lots of their base have given up on politics and are leaving it to others, taking the decision out of their hands.

The ‘all the same’ and ‘not interested in politics now’ crews don‘t see what they like with the UKIP Tory party so it’s easier to step away and still hold their personal Tory values.
 
Lots of their base have given up on politics and are leaving it to others, taking the decision out of their hands.

The ‘all the same’ and ‘not interested in politics now’ crews don‘t see what they like with the UKIP Tory party so it’s easier to step away and still hold their personal Tory values.


Plausible deniability ........ not my fault , I didn't bother voting last time.
 
It’s strange that despite the evidence that British people dislike political extremes both main parties have experimented with swings to the left or right, when the reality is the party tat captures the centre ground wins
 
It’s some collapse potentially by the Tories this. When the exit poles came out on election night in December 2019 John McDonell was in the BBC studio and the guy interviewing him said with this size of a majority for the Tories, Labour had lost the 2024 election already as there has never been that much of a swing to get a majority.

A Parliament of party gate, covid ppe deals for their mates, brexit, high inflation, energy crisis, Truss crashing government bonds, Sky rocketing interest rates, the whole response to the pandemic, MPs groping, MPs going awol, three PMs in a year and one unelected by Conservative members and the British public, expensive curtains, Home Secretary sending refugees to Rwanda, Home Secretary going batshit crazy with racism, Jeremy Hunt running the country whilst Truss is hiding under a desk.

Have I missed anything?
 
It’s some collapse potentially by the Tories this. When the exit poles came out on election night in December 2019 John McDonell was in the BBC studio and the guy interviewing him said with this size of a majority for the Tories, Labour had lost the 2024 election already as there has never been that much of a swing to get a majority.

A Parliament of party gate, covid ppe deals for their mates, brexit, high inflation, energy crisis, Truss crashing government bonds, Sky rocketing interest rates, the whole response to the pandemic, MPs groping, MPs going awol, three PMs in a year and one unelected by Conservative members and the British public, expensive curtains, Home Secretary sending refugees to Rwanda, Home Secretary going batshit crazy with racism, Jeremy Hunt running the country whilst Truss is hiding under a desk.

Have I missed anything?

I suspect you've only scratched the surface but we'll have to wait, 30 year rule and all that.

Yup they've had geopolitical events to contend with but we could have a put a toddler play group in charge and they'd have done better just by virtue of the fact they'd have stayed sat in the corner singing Tommy Thumb.
 
It’s some collapse potentially by the Tories this. When the exit poles came out on election night in December 2019 John McDonell was in the BBC studio and the guy interviewing him said with this size of a majority for the Tories, Labour had lost the 2024 election already as there has never been that much of a swing to get a majority.

A Parliament of party gate, covid ppe deals for their mates, brexit, high inflation, energy crisis, Truss crashing government bonds, Sky rocketing interest rates, the whole response to the pandemic, MPs groping, MPs going awol, three PMs in a year and one unelected by Conservative members and the British public, expensive curtains, Home Secretary sending refugees to Rwanda, Home Secretary going batshit crazy with racism, Jeremy Hunt running the country whilst Truss is hiding under a desk.

Have I missed anything?

Yes, but that'll do for now ;-)
 
I suspect you've only scratched the surface but we'll have to wait, 30 year rule and all that.

Maybe not, the covid enquiry is still rumbling on, but more importantly Starmer, under that veneer of boring blandness, is a ruthless political operator, look how he's treated the left, but more importantly still, he's a lawyer.

There's been criminality here on a grand scale, no 30 year rule is going to pull a veil over that. My guess is he'll keep his foot on the Tories throat once he's in power, coz life won't be easy for an incoming Labour government. A constant reminder of just how awful this government is will be very useful for Starmer in the hard times ahead, he's not going to let all that Tory sleaze gather dust for 30 years, not when it's political gold dust.
 
Maybe not, the covid enquiry is still rumbling on, but more importantly Starmer, under that veneer of boring blandness, is a ruthless political operator, look how he's treated the left, but more importantly still, he's a lawyer.

There's been criminality here on a grand scale, no 30 year rule is going to pull a veil over that. My guess is he'll keep his foot on the Tories throat once he's in power, coz life won't be easy for an incoming Labour government. A constant reminder of just how awful this government is will be very useful for Starmer in the hard times ahead, he's not going to let all that Tory sleaze gather dust for 30 years, not when it's political gold dust.

I think that would be a strong move, and a more finessed version of my thought to compile and produce all the numbers that have been hidden/misrepresented, find the buried reports, and drop them periodically.
 
Maybe not, the covid enquiry is still rumbling on, but more importantly Starmer, under that veneer of boring blandness, is a ruthless political operator, look how he's treated the left, but more importantly still, he's a lawyer.

There's been criminality here on a grand scale, no 30 year rule is going to pull a veil over that. My guess is he'll keep his foot on the Tories throat once he's in power, coz life won't be easy for an incoming Labour government. A constant reminder of just how awful this government is will be very useful for Starmer in the hard times ahead, he's not going to let all that Tory sleaze gather dust for 30 years, not when it's political gold dust.

Good points well made: especially the point he's going to need all sorts of political capital to get through a first term successfully.
 
Maybe not, the covid enquiry is still rumbling on, but more importantly Starmer, under that veneer of boring blandness, is a ruthless political operator, look how he's treated the left, but more importantly still, he's a lawyer.

There's been criminality here on a grand scale, no 30 year rule is going to pull a veil over that. My guess is he'll keep his foot on the Tories throat once he's in power, coz life won't be easy for an incoming Labour government. A constant reminder of just how awful this government is will be very useful for Starmer in the hard times ahead, he's not going to let all that Tory sleaze gather dust for 30 years, not when it's political gold dust.
Labour will be gone within a term. The tory owned media will ensure that. The damage done by the tories will become Labour caused.

And I am not sure Starmer is as ruthless as you say, he's had plenty of opportunity to lay into the tories but has not done so, I like to think he is trying to keeps the moral high ground but I think he just doesnt like rocking the boat.
 
Labour will be gone within a term. The tory owned media will ensure that. The damage done by the tories will become Labour caused.

And I am not sure Starmer is as ruthless as you say, he's had plenty of opportunity to lay into the tories but has not done so, I like to think he is trying to keeps the moral high ground but I think he just doesnt like rocking the boat.

“these are my principles. If you don't like them, well, I have others”

Grouch Marx


You're confusing principle with politics.

Starmer has stood aside and allowed the Tories to destroy themselves, politically, and they're doing a very good job of it.

What he actually stands for is, for now, almost immaterial. All Labour needs to do for now is not be this government and not say anything that'll scare the sheep that voted the Tory fuckers in, coz Starmer needs them to vote for him next time around.
 
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