The Conservative Party

Chippy_boy said:
On the contrary, I think only she or Generic give the Tories any hope.

Last election remember Labour got 33% of the votes and only 20% of those eligible to vote, voted for them. They polled less votes than Corbyn managed. Let that sink in for a moment. Jeremy Corbyn and his self-admitted Marxist mate McDonnell managed to get more votes than Starmer, even after all the subsequent Tory sleeze and economic pains. That is a shocking lack of endorsement and mandate for Starmer.

And yet, he has a stonking great big majority. Why? Simply because - and only because - the right wing vote was split. The Tories and Reform combined, polled more votes than Labour managed.

The very unfortunate truth for the Tories is that unless something changes to get would be Reform voters to vote Tory, then Labour would win again in 2029.

This is the Tories' challenge. How to get back the Reform votes. And yet we have that idiot Tugendhat saying the Tories must not turn into Reform?!??

The reality is most people in the UK are centre right in their views. It's been that way for a long time, else the Tories would not have been in for 14 years. (Blair only got in by moving towards the right.) And most people in this country are worried about the effects of mass immigration.

The parties on the right need to unite to form a single offering to the public which commits to control immigration and paints a picture of low taxes, lower regulation and lower government interference and strong public services funded by strong growth. If they remain divided they are doomed. Badenoch is arguably the only candidate who can pull this off.
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I assume you mean Honest Bob Jenrick? The same Jenrick who yesterday released a video showing British special forces in action ( one of whom was killed shortly after) which then went on to say that UK Special forces were killing prisoners- and then blaming it on the ECHR, something he wants us to leave and join Belarus and Russia as the only countries not recognising it? Then there's the £75k from the company with no staff that he's just accepted, or the approval of a building scheme in London that saved a mate £30m-50m in taxes that would have been used to build local schools and infra structure. He's a top bloke! And you think he's the future?
 
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hilts said:
I don't like to say these things about a women but she comes across as a bit of **** tbh.

Her whole speech was pretty much bollocks, .Gordon Gekko might sue for copyright though because even though she never actually said greed is good it was pretty much the message.
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She’s a complex character. In some ways attractive, but in others absolutely not.

Think she’s pretty bright, and there are things about her to admire.

On the other hand, she’s a fucking weirdo. Ridiculously unstreetwise. And a boring ****.

If I worked with her, I’d have absolutely no desire to socialise with her.

Think she’s the third most preferred candidate, subjectively speaking. TT the least objectionable politically, as he’s by some distance the least right wing, Cleverley the most likeable as a person. Jenrick is a slug. Horrible ****. He’s absolutely last.

No way TT is going to win. Jenrick has to be the favourite, but I wouldn’t discount Cleverly pulling it off.
 
What’s this about Badenoch using Tufton Street as her campaign HQ. Have the Truss puppeteers got their claws into another future party leader?
 
Chippy_boy said:
And yet, he has a stonking great big majority. Why? Simply because - and only because - the right wing vote was split. The Tories and Reform combined, polled more votes than Labour managed.
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And if the left leaning parties Labour, Lib Dems, Greens combined - what would have been the outcome then v Tories/reform?
 
Chippy_boy said:
The reality is most people in the UK are centre right in their views.
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I'm not sure that's true you know. There's some really interesting research where people are asked to place themselves on a left to right spectrum to create a subjective measure of their leanings. They are then asked a series of specific policy/ideological questions to build up a more objective profile of their leanings.

When the subjective and objective measures are compared the vast majority of people are more left leaning objectively than their own subjective assessment. Doesn't matter which party they support, their underlying tendencies are typically to the left of their self perception.

So notwithstanding the success of the different parties at the ballot box, it implies that people's voting behaviour is often out of alignment with their underlying instincts and by implication that there's something quite distorted about our political discourse.

I keep meaning to find out a bit more and whether this is a phenomenon exclusive to us or whether it's a more global behaviour. I wouldn't be that surprised if we exhibit it more than other comparable countries maybe because of things like the piss poor state of our press?
 
hampshireblue said:
I assume you mean Honest Bob Jenrick? The same Jenrick who yesterday released a video showing British special forces in action ( one of whom was killed shortly after) which then went on to say that UK Special forces were killing prisoners- and then blaming it on the ECHR, something he wants us to leave and join Belarus and Russia as the only countries not recognising it? Then there's the £75k from the company with no staff that he's just accepted, or the approval of a building scheme in London that saved a mate £30m-50m in taxes that would have been used to build local schools and infra structure. He's a top bloke! And you think he's the future?
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Lets not forget his order to paint over disney characters on the wall at a migrant holding place, the kids room as it was too welcoming
 
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