The Green Party

[Kush45]

You wont see the irony in that post, unfortunately for you others will.

Champion debater indeed

 

[domalino]

I will counter with a few points

Corbyn got pretty close, if the greens ever got that close I would be very happy, thats coalition time.

Laughing stock? Johnson Starmer Farage

Mainstream and media machines? Just as people are turning away from that.

There is a left wing and real change gap to be filled, this labour lot aren't filling it. Even today they are u turning on workers rights which they have been crowing about for years. They are charlatans.

Eh, is there a left wing? Not much of one. No one has ever won a general election on a left wing platform and I don't see that changing any time soon. We're a very centrist country.

 

[hilts]

Eh, is there a left wing? Not much of one. No one has ever won a general election on a left wing platform and I don't see that changing any time soon. We're a very centrist country.

Right of centre mate, there is a left wing and nowadays 32% is a big majority. Times are changing who benefits is to be determined.

 

[Main Stand Hotdog]

His spiel is that everybody has got it wrong about capitalism and its bond markets etc - they don't matter. We should just equalise the wealth in society by simply robbing those with more dosh than they need. Property is theft anyway and the newly equal people will ensure the planet is saved. I paraphrase but am still a bit giggly about the idea there were mobile phones when I was at school.

I know what his spiel is although I intepret what's he's said a bit differently. I'm asking what do you believe is the dangerous outcome of what he's said? Economic ruin for the country or for you?

A lot of people don't care anymore if the current economic system is upended as it's already pretty 'dangerous' and works against alot of people as it is.

 

[Main Stand Hotdog]

Green party are not green at all,they are anti British

Wrong thread mate, I think you're after the other lot that just had one of their Leadership get 10 years for being an asset of a foreign adversary.

 

[.db.]

My time as an Old Stopfordian preceded David Paulden's by more than half a century but the fact that he emerged from my school as the careerist fraud he is still shocks. If anybody thinks Zak's political prescription for this country makes sense I can only assume they attended one of his hypnotherapy sessions.

He sounds like the left’s version of Steven Yacksleigh Lemon?

 

[Main Stand Hotdog]

He sounds like the left’s version of Steven Yacksleigh Lemon?

They're exactly the same yeah, it's only their differing opinions on the means of production that seperate the two.

 

[Main Stand Hotdog]

I think the Green's have 2 big problems.

1) Nuclear policy.

2) Hypno-breast enlargement.

Corbyn telling everyone he'd never push the nuclear button disqualified him as PM for a lot of people. No one wants somoene with an itchy trigger finger, but people still believe in MAD, and with tensions with Russia the highest they've been in 35 years the idea of being a defenseless target is going to turn a lot of people away.

The hypnotherapy story is just poltical krytonite, it has that Thorpe affair combination of being sexual, funny and deeply unserious, and the worst thing you can be as a political leader is a laughing stock.

If Polanski can genuinely shake off the hypno story and they really hammer home that their nuclear policy is simply no first strikes (and maybe revisit nuclear energy policy) then they could get somewhere, but until they go fully mainstream and Labour/Tory/Reform media machines really start gunning for him it's hard to see them even getting as big the Clegg Lib Dems.

They do also have a lot of weirdos in the party, I think they'll suffer from the same kind of drip feed of mental candidates/local gov politicians being unmasked that reform have.

I think that's a fair summation to be honest. I'm suprised how much the Hynotherapy thing has stuck, it feels a bit like has potential to be like the Ed Milibnad bacon sandwich thing. I'd say the main difference though is that he has enough time between now and the next GE to weather it and he seems to 'own it' well and being fairly self depricating about it in interviews.

 

[johnny crossan]

I know what his spiel is although I intepret what's he's said a bit differently. I'm asking what do you believe is the dangerous outcome of what he's said? Economic ruin for the country or for you?

A lot of people don't care anymore if the current economic system is upended as it's already pretty 'dangerous' and works against alot of people as it is.

Zack models himself on Hugo Chavez so he should be the ideal chap to free the proletariat - on you go comrade

When London welcomed Chavez

ONE of the things I will always remember from my time as mayor of London was the close political relationship we managed to build with Hugo Chavez, the then president of Venezuela, who so tragically passed away 10 years ago last Sunday in March 2013.Many Morning Star readers will no doubt...

morningstaronline.co.uk

 

[Main Stand Hotdog]

Zack models himself on Hugo Chavez so he should be the ideal chap to free the proletariat - on you go comrade

When London welcomed Chavez

ONE of the things I will always remember from my time as mayor of London was the close political relationship we managed to build with Hugo Chavez, the then president of Venezuela, who so tragically passed away 10 years ago last Sunday in March 2013.Many Morning Star readers will no doubt...

morningstaronline.co.uk

Sorry Comrade, that's a link to an article about Hugo Charvez visiting London written by Ken Livingstone. Not Zack Polanski saying 'I model myself on Hugo Chavez'. Also still not clear on what you consider to be dangerous.

If you're comfortable in the current economic systems we have fair enough I don't blame you for voting to maintain it. I personally don't think you need to be a card carrying Commie to feel like we've been circling the drain for the last 17 or so years and that changes need to be made. Also with the potential for mass unemployment on the horizon with regards to AI I'm not short sighted enough to think limping on as we are is going to cut it. Massive social and economic change is probably coming whether anyone likes it or not.

 

[johnny crossan]

Sorry Comrade, that's a link to an article about Hugo Charvez visiting London written by Ken Livingstone. Not Zack Polanski saying 'I model myself on Hugo Chavez'. Also still not clear on what you consider to be dangerous.

If you're comfortable in the current economic systems we have fair enough I don't blame you for voting to maintain it. I personally don't think you need to be a card carrying Commie to feel like we've been circling the drain for the last 17 or so years and that changes need to be made. Also with the potential for mass unemployment on the horizon with regards to AI I'm not short sighted enough to think limping on as we are is going to cut it. Massive social and economic change is probably coming whether anyone likes it or not.

I see now you are engaging in serious debate and I wholly agree with your last sentence. We are indeed an ageing society in rapid cultural and economic decline. A tiny part of a world with an exploding population and changing climatic conditions rendering increasing parts of it uninhabitable & creating mass migration. Totalitarian regimes multiply amid AI driven globalized production of essential goods by a handful of ungovernable private monopolies.
A grim prospect for everybody.

 

[metalblue]

I think the Green's have 2 big problems.

1) Nuclear policy.

2) Hypno-breast enlargement.

Corbyn telling everyone he'd never push the nuclear button disqualified him as PM for a lot of people. No one wants somoene with an itchy trigger finger, but people still believe in MAD, and with tensions with Russia the highest they've been in 35 years the idea of being a defenseless target is going to turn a lot of people away.

The hypnotherapy story is just poltical krytonite, it has that Thorpe affair combination of being sexual, funny and deeply unserious, and the worst thing you can be as a political leader is a laughing stock.

If Polanski can genuinely shake off the hypno story and they really hammer home that their nuclear policy is simply no first strikes (and maybe revisit nuclear energy policy) then they could get somewhere, but until they go fully mainstream and Labour/Tory/Reform media machines really start gunning for him it's hard to see them even getting as big the Clegg Lib Dems.

They do also have a lot of weirdos in the party, I think they'll suffer from the same kind of drip feed of mental candidates/local gov politicians being unmasked that reform have.

Polanski is an ideologist and ever so slightly insane.

He will appeal to plenty but there is a ceiling to that appeal that should keep him away from high office - although he could be the king maker in a coalition which would be fun to watch because I don’t see him as someone who would compromise on his ideology.

 

[threespires]

Polanski is an ideologist and ever so slightly insane.

He will appeal to plenty but there is a ceiling to that appeal that should keep him away from high office - although he could be the king maker in a coalition which would be fun to watch because I don’t see him as someone who would compromise on his ideology.

Don't know enough about him to know if he's insane but agree there's a ceiling to him based on what he's said so far. If that ceiling is say 5% percentage points above where he's got them to now then you can definitely see the scenario you paint. When I've listened to him I'm not entirely convinced he's that sure himself where he wants to go and how much he'd compromise. If nothing else he's giving people a choice of which type of populist they give up the mainstream parties for.

If he extends the base and appeal of the greens you wonder whether he ultimately fulfils the 'voice in the wilderness' role and he gives rise to someone more able to move things forward?

 

[metalblue]

Don't know enough about him to know if he's insane but agree there's a ceiling to him based on what he's said so far. If that ceiling is say 5% percentage points above where he's got them to now then you can definitely see the scenario you paint. When I've listened to him I'm not entirely convinced he's that sure himself where he wants to go and how much he'd compromise. If nothing else he's giving people a choice of which type of populist they give up the mainstream parties for.

If he extends the base and appeal of the greens you wonder whether he ultimately fulfils the 'voice in the wilderness' role and he gives rise to someone more able to move things forward?

Populism isn’t the reserve of the fringe parties. Johnson was nothing if not a populist and herein lay the problem with politics today IMHO, as a politician try standing for something other than reelection.

 

[threespires]

Populism isn’t the reserve of the fringe parties. Johnson was nothing if not a populist and herein lay the problem with politics today IMHO, as a politician try standing for something other than reelection.

That's very true actually and we've been dogged in recent years by people who can campaign but can't govern.