The Harry and Meghan fuss

[Metal Biker]

I don't see how whether someone is a Conservative or Brexit voter is relevant. We don't split the country on every single issue by whether someone is a Tory voter, Brexit voter or votes for that bucket head guy.

60% generally are in favour, 77% of over 65's are in favour, 68% of 50-64 year olds are in favour and 56% of 25-49 year olds are in favour.

The only clear statistic that matters here is the vast majority are in favour and the republic movement has A LOT of work to do.

Apparently we do now.

It'll make it easier to round them up into camps when the glorious revolution comes.

 

[inbetween]

No, it's 60% in favour of keeping the monarchy, about 50% in every demographic except conservative voters (82%) and Brexit voters (74%)



So was the Empire, the British Navy ruling the waves and the industrial revolution, but times change.



Yes, we'd be like the USA...or Germany, France, Italy, India, Ireland...or most countries that have left behind the medieval idea that God has appointed a specific family to rule over the people.

Even the commonwealth countries that still pander to the idea of a monarchy have a presidential figure that takes on all political roles and responsibilities because...the idea Charles Windsor should make those decisions based on his blood is beyond stupid.

Times have changed but that doesn't mean we should reject everything and change the country into something it clearly does not want to be. We can accept the past and modernise to rectify it but it doesn't mean we need to burn it down, even Harry has that view.

What you're missing is that you need to take everyone on the ride but you're clearly not interested in those who don't want to go on that ride. You're not interested in why they don't want to, maybe they just want a monarchy?

Because of this inconvenience I'm sure you just assume that 60% of the country are racist, Daily Mail reading bigots? Hence the completely irrelevant comment about Tory and Brexit voters.

 

[domalino]

I don't see how whether someone is a Conservative or Brexit voter is relevant. We don't split the country on every single issue by whether someone is a Tory voter, Brexit voter or votes for that bucket head guy.

60% generally are in favour, 77% of over 65's are in favour, 68% of 50-64 year olds are in favour and 56% of 25-49 year olds are in favour.

The only clear statistic that matters here is the vast majority are in favour and the republic movement has A LOT of work to do.

You were replying to the idea that Daily Mail voters support the monarchy, so it seems incredibly relevent that the Daily Mail's 2 biggest target demographics are the biggest supporters of the monarchy.

 

[Metal Biker]

No it isn't.

When was the last time the monarchy kept parliament in check? It didn't stop Johnson illegally proroguing parliament, literally one of the few instances of power the monarch is supposed to still have, and the Queen just waved it through.

Did the electorate use its position to lobby to the Monarchy to do so? No it didn't, not by a majority, and it won't act unless we tell it, otherwise Parliament would see it as a power grab. Fact is the Monarchy still has Royal Prerogative to dissolve Parliament because it's the King's Parliament; difficult to apply, but still exists.

Although give it time and the Parliamentarians would see to it that that power is also suspended giving them free reign to do what they wish on behalf of the 'people'. Democracy!!

 

[domalino]

Times have changed but that doesn't mean we should reject everything and change the country into something it clearly does not want to be. We can accept the past and modernise to rectify it but it doesn't mean we need to burn it down, even Harry has that view.

What you're missing is that you need to take everyone on the ride but you're clearly not interested in those who don't want to go on that ride. You're not interested in why they don't want to, maybe they just want a monarchy?

Because of this inconvenience I'm sure you just assume that 60% of the country are racist, Daily Mail reading bigots? Hence the completely irrelevant comment about Tory and Brexit voters.

It's so tragic that you actually think someone should be the ultimate authority over your life because the convinced people 1000 years ago that God put them on the throne.

I cannot comprehend being that subservient.

 

[domalino]

Did the electorate use its position to lobby to the Monarchy to do so?

Yes, members of the electorate made a really big deal about how illegal it was, took it to the supreme court and got it struck down as being illegal.

Fact is the Monarchy still has Royal Prerogative to dissolve Parliament because it's the King's Parliament; difficult to apply, but still exists.

No it doesn't. Power only exists if you can exercise it, and the fact the Queen felt she could not overrule an obviously illegal decision by the PM lest it look like she was intefering in politics means that she didn't have that power.

This is one of the main reasons the constitutional monarchy doesn't work, the erosion of the monarchy has just handed all of their powers to the PM.

 

[Metal Biker]

It's so tragic that you actually think someone should be the ultimate authority over your life because the convinced people 1000 years ago that God put them on the throne.

There's been quite a few changes to our political system since those days, agreements between the Monarchy and Parliament.

You might want to take a look and see how that argument against no longer holds true. Its all about mutually, long-standing agreed upon treaties these days, baby!

 

[inbetween]

It's so tragic that you actually think someone should be the ultimate authority over your life because the convinced people 1000 years ago that God put them on the throne.

The Royal family has zero authority over my life, zero. It however is part of my identity and history as a British person, warts and all.

I also disagree that politicians should have authority over my life as well.

My identity in terms of politics is currently 'politically homeless' so you can see why I am suspicious about a republic of all things!

 

[Metal Biker]

The Royal family has zero authority over my life, zero. It however is part of my identity and history as a British person, warts and all.

I also disagree that politicians should have authority over my life as well.

My identity in terms of politics is currently 'politically homeless' so you can see why I am suspicious about a republic of all things!

For those unable to hear at the back...

 

[domalino]

The Royal family has zero authority over my life

Wrong.

The monarch is the head of state in the country you live in.

I also disagree that politicians should have authority over my life as well.

Then you should go an live in an anarchy somewhere, because they do.