The Knock On Effect....

[Anonymous]

I'm curious as to what others see as the knock on effect of

- Carlos staying
- Us finishing 3rd

From an FFPR point of view, I imagine that Carlos staying will have some impact on how much we spend on players this summer because we won't be banking 50 million for him and getting him off the wage bill. I imagine that in turn will make it all the more important that we shed the wages of Ade, Bellamy, RSC, Bridge, et al before bringing in new players.

Equally from a footballing standpoint, I can see Carlos staying as making us an even more desirable destination for the best footballers in the world. No doubt Tevez is one of the top 3 strikers in the world right now, and has played at the top of his game for most of this season. Whether it's Sneijder, Mata, Hazard, Pastore, Aguero - whoever - I can see all those players wanting to come and play in a team with him. I've read recently from some bitter rags that no matter what happens, players will always choose a club like the rags or Chelsea over City. I think keeping a player like Carlos right now will have an effect on that way of thinking. For me, if you're coming to England, City's the place you want to play if you're interested in winning things for the next five years.

Finishing 3rd enhances everything I've said above IMO. More importantly, finishing above Arsenal. It's a statement of intent to the rest of the footballing world that the 'project' is taking flight. Players who maybe were tempted by City but worried about the mercenary tag will now be able to talk about direct qualification into the CL, finishing above Arsenal, and the FA Cup, as proof positive that you come to City for footballing reasons and not for financial ones.

Henry Winter wrote in his match report from last night "If Carlsberg did weeks" - it made me smile as I know exactly what he's talking about. We have changed our own history in the last 8 days, but more importantly, we've changed the way the rest of the footballing world sees us.

Onwards and upwards...

 

[mancunial]

their will be more than one reason if carlos stays, they have obviously sold their plans to him in the transfer market?

 

[matt99is]

Keeping carlos is HUGE he is most definitely up there with messi, remember messi only has to play in the sunny spl!

I think mancini and the owners have been banking on him staying as I haven't really heard about us genuinley chasing a replacement for him yet?..I might be wrong. We seem to be looking at options to strengthen the midfield and add depth to it, i can see barry being marginal and AJ being an impact sub and someone line Sneijder or sanchez coming in.

Year on year we're becoming a very desirable destination and anyone who doesn't see that is not welcome, we want players who want to come and work hard and really be part of something great. Not to ride on our coat tails. remember dzeko?...as I recall he personally asked mancini to sign him up when most of the big clubs in europe were after him. It makes me laugh when fans of other clubs try to make fun of him and say mancini signed a flop, forgetting that their clubs were probably after him too!

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Finishing 3rd is certainly a powerful selling point in attracting new recruits. Swanning into the group stage gives us a much nicer pre-season build up and removes a certain element of doubt. As for Carlos, I'm as yet not convinced he's staying as I think all we've heard is he wants to stay rather than he is. As he's contracted for another 3 years, if he really was staying he could put the issue to bed very quickly with just 2 words. However, he hasn't done that. In fact he hasn't said anything publicly has he?

 

[more lazy than useless]

From an FFPR point of view, I imagine that Carlos staying will have some impact on how much we spend on players this summer because we won't be banking 50 million for him and getting him off the wage bill. I imagine that in turn will make it all the more important that we shed the wages of Ade, Bellamy, RSC, Bridge, et al before bringing in new players.

From an FFPR point of view I would have thought it better if Tevez stays. We will already have written off about 1/2 his transfer fee, and if we brought somebody else in - say Ibra - then we would have the full fee to write off over the next few years and still have to pay a wage that must be about the same?

Am I thinking about this the wrong way?

Other than that I agree completely with everything you've posted. Oh! how times have changed :-)

 

[Anonymous]

Finishing 3rd is certainly a powerful selling point in attracting new recruits. Swanning into the group stage gives us a much nicer pre-season build up and removes a certain element of doubt. As for Carlos, I'm as yet not convinced he's staying as I think all we've heard is he wants to stay rather than he is. As he's contracted for another 3 years, if he really was staying he could put the issue to bed very quickly with just 2 words. However, he hasn't done that. In fact he hasn't said anything publicly has he?

As I said in another thread - Mancini has been at pains in recent weeks to stress that Tevez wants to leave and if he wants to leave it's better that he goes. The about face after last night's match suggests to me that the issue has been put to bed and Carlos will stay one more season...I imagine there were plenty of discussions between the player and Khaldoun post the FA Cup Final...

 

[VOOMER]

I'm curious as to what others see as the knock on effect of

- Carlos staying
- Us finishing 3rd

From an FFPR point of view, I imagine that Carlos staying will have some impact on how much we spend on players this summer because we won't be banking 50 million for him and getting him off the wage bill. I imagine that in turn will make it all the more important that we shed the wages of Ade, Bellamy, RSC, Bridge, et al before bringing in new players.

Equally from a footballing standpoint, I can see Carlos staying as making us an even more desirable destination for the best footballers in the world. No doubt Tevez is one of the top 3 strikers in the world right now, and has played at the top of his game for most of this season. Whether it's Sneijder, Mata, Hazard,(Pastore, Aguero - whoever - I can see all those players wanting to come and play in a team with him. I've read recently from some bitter rags that no matter what happens, players will always choose a club like the rags or Chelsea over City. I think keeping a player like Carlos right now will have an effect on that way of thinking. For me, if you're coming to England, City's the place you want to play if you're interested in winning things for the next five years.

Finishing 3rd enhances everything I've said above IMO. More importantly, finishing above Arsenal. It's a statement of intent to the rest of the footballing world that the 'project' is taking flight. Players who maybe were tempted by City but worried about the mercenary tag will now be able to talk about direct qualification into the CL, finishing above Arsenal, and the FA Cup, as proof positive that you come to City for footballing reasons and not for financial ones.

Henry Winter wrote in his match report from last night "If Carlsberg did weeks" - it made me smile as I know exactly what he's talking about. We have changed our own history in the last 8 days, but more importantly, we've changed the way the rest of the footballing world sees us.

Onwards and upwards...

Glad to see quality posts still flowing from you're keyboard. Doesn't anyone, ignoring the media who have papers and advertising space to sell, think that our owner, worth £516 billion, hasn't got these area's covered? No seriously, you will find even the media darlings (as they did on 5 live on Monday), are now stating its more of a set of guidelines and that City will be well clear of any sanctions as they don't have any debt and the acid test will be Barca and Real, who's debt even makes the rags look a like a fiver borrowed to buy a Norwich scarf.
As you have said,,

Onwards and Upwards

 

[Anonymous]

From an FFPR point of view, I imagine that Carlos staying will have some impact on how much we spend on players this summer because we won't be banking 50 million for him and getting him off the wage bill. I imagine that in turn will make it all the more important that we shed the wages of Ade, Bellamy, RSC, Bridge, et al before bringing in new players.

From an FFPR point of view I would have thought it better if Tevez stays. We will already have written off about 1/2 his transfer fee, and if we brought somebody else in - say Ibra - then we would have the full fee to write off over the next few years and still have to pay a wage that must be about the same?

Am I thinking about this the wrong way?

Other than that I agree completely with everything you've posted. Oh! how times have changed :-)

Actually I think you're right as I do recall people saying that Ade and Tevez's transfer fees were paid out before the FFPR's cut off point. His wages however will still be an issue as he's our highest paid player. Just make it more imperative as I said, to get big earners who have no future at the club out the door asap.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Finishing 3rd is certainly a powerful selling point in attracting new recruits. Swanning into the group stage gives us a much nicer pre-season build up and removes a certain element of doubt. As for Carlos, I'm as yet not convinced he's staying as I think all we've heard is he wants to stay rather than he is. As he's contracted for another 3 years, if he really was staying he could put the issue to bed very quickly with just 2 words. However, he hasn't done that. In fact he hasn't said anything publicly has he?

As I said in another thread - Mancini has been at pains in recent weeks to stress that Tevez wants to leave and if he wants to leave it's better that he goes. The about face after last night's match suggests to me that the issue has been put to bed and Carlos will stay one more season...I imagine there were plenty of discussions between the player and Khaldoun post the FA Cup Final...

If it had been put to bed, there'd be an official statement on the website to hail the new developments. Mancini is a legend, a hero, but with regards to the Tevez situation, i do not believe a single word he says.

 

[Castiel]

I appreciate you're all very excited about your recent achievements and feel like you're going to win the quadruple next season, brushing all the traditional heavy weights aside with ease. And as a rival fan I'm happy for you. I'm happy that you've upset United, I'm happy that you beat Spurs to 4th and overtaken Arsenal. I'm happy that the league will be more competitive in future seasons ending the reign of the "Sky 4".

However I think that many of you need to get some perspective. This season was a big step, but next season is a whole new ball game. This will be the first time you've had to compete on multiple fronts at the very highest level. Which means league games and excruciating CL ties against ridiculously talented sides week in week out. You cannot underestimate how taxing this is on a squad. Last season Man United lost the premiership to us (Chelsea) because of their mid week tie to Bayern which shot them to pieces. At this level things can and will go wrong extremely fast and in every way.

The line between success and failure is extremely thin, and the smallest mistakes or miscalculations can cost you everything. Look at what happened to Spurs. They did extremely well when they broke into the top 4, one season later, the toll of the CL crushed their league campaign so badly that they could end up without any European football at all. Should you get into the knock out stages of the CL and finish within the top 4 again, I'd consider it a success next season.