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Why did it need to be complicated with 1st choice, second choice and multiple transferred votes of the AV system?
So that people wouldn't vote for it. The biggest mistake the Lib Dems made was agreeing to go into power with the Tories for an AV referendum, rather than their original policy of a PR referendum. The fact that the Tories would only agree to an AV referendum tells you exactly how popular they thought PR was.
 
Why did it need to be complicated with 1st choice, second choice and multiple transferred votes of the AV system?

PR with a single transferable vote works perfectly fine in Sweden why not the UK ?

But then people don't have their own local MP, which is just as complicated.

The referendum was a huge win for No, and I doubt any format would have got a different result.

Now of course, it might be very different. Reform are of course, fully in favour, so we'd be looking at a campaign which told people that Starmer would be thrown out of No10 the day after the referendum, and everyone would get a cheque for £1000 in the post.
 
I agree it shouldn't be a party political issue. But it's strange that the opposition are suddenly up in arms about it when they could have easily addressed this themselves at any point up to July 4th last year.

And an inquiry isn't about bringing the perpetrators to justice, it's about investigating what went wrong and making recommendations to ensure the same things aren't repeated. That's already happened, but the previous government decided to do nothing about it. This one is now trying to put those recommendations into place, with over 100 Conservative MPs voting to block it.

The whole thing is just utterly bizarre.

Majority of right minded individuals were up in arms about it when it was first reported and the Tories were in power so nothing much has changed for them.
 
But then people don't have their own local MP, which is just as complicated.

The referendum was a huge win for No, and I doubt any format would have got a different result.

Now of course, it might be very different. Reform are of course, fully in favour, so we'd be looking at a campaign which told people that Starmer would be thrown out of No10 the day after the referendum, and everyone would get a cheque for £1000 in the post.
Why is it so complicated you still have local elections and now with devolution the regional mayors make it even easier.

Im yet to see a local MP significantly influence national policy decisions, particularly around the big ticket items that fundamentally affect peoples lives i.e. tax, education, health etc.

As Ive said before Reform and hard left Socialist Parties, should all be allowed a voice based upon share of the vote. By doing so it exposes them to critical debate rather than being in echo chambers where more extreme views take hold.
 
Why is it so complicated you still have local elections and now with devolution the regional mayors make it even easier.

Im yet to see a local MP significantly influence national policy decisions, particularly around the big ticket items that fundamentally affect peoples lives i.e. tax, education, health etc.

As Ive said before Reform and hard left Socialist Parties, should all be allowed a voice based upon share of the vote. By doing so it exposes them to critical debate rather than being in echo chambers where more extreme views take hold.

It's not hugely, but it's a 'difference', which is what the ranking in AV was. Neither are hugely complex, but they are more so than FPTP.

The main point was that the referendum was a 68:32 massacre, and all the big players would have been on the same sides, and you'd get the same result. Switching out one system that needed a bit of explanation, wasn't going to overturn that kind of result.
 
It's not hugely, but it's a 'difference', which is what the ranking in AV was. Neither are hugely complex, but they are more so than FPTP.

The main point was that the referendum was a 68:32 massacre, and all the big players would have been on the same sides, and you'd get the same result. Switching out one system that needed a bit of explanation, wasn't going to overturn that kind of result.

As we have/seem to be moving towards devolution with Mayor's there isn't any need for it to be complicated. Last time the two main parties and the media that supports them were against it. We don't need as many MPs or Lords.
It seems really baffling to me that people are happy with this system.

BTW massacre? Not sure you're using the word correctly in this instance.
 
As we have/seem to be moving towards devolution with Mayor's there isn't any need for it to be complicated. Last time the two main parties and the media that supports them were against it. We don't need as many MPs or Lords.
It seems really baffling to me that people are happy with this system.

BTW massacre? Not sure you're using the word correctly in this instance.

Just as a thought, would any replacement system need a plan for ministerial offices if there are less MPs? Or would it be a matter of everyone from a ruling coalition would have to have a ministerial job?
 
Just as a thought, would any replacement system need a plan for ministerial offices if there are less MPs? Or would it be a matter of everyone from a ruling coalition would have to have a ministerial job?
You would think a cabinet should reflect the coalition to some degree but that wouid be down to the negotiations between the coalition parties. There will soon be little need for such high numbers of MPs. Local elections should put in place a Mayor and local reps that actually spend their time helping their local community rather than buggering off to London. The Lords should be a specialist chamber rather than a dozing lounge for Sir Charles Chumley Warner.
 
When the two main parties actively campaigned against it and the dems came up with something rather complicated. That time you mean?

Nice to see you support the electorates decisions when it suits Vic the Labour man.
Another weird attack. I didn't choose what was put to the electorate, but I voted for what was on the ballot.
 

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