The Labour Government

BigJoe#1 said:
Diane Abbot.... "These reforms are unfair, nuthought out and all bout saving money", never thought I'd say this but very wise words. Still waiting for someone to speak in favour...

What the fuck was the Labour leadership thinking of?
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Kendall has been itching to do something like this since her leadership bid back in 2015. Now that the Labour right has control of the party, she's free to do it.





Grown up politics, apparently.
 
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blueinsa said:
Idiots?

Idiots sit back and do nothing whilst the PM and Chancellor lead from them a landslide majority to being on track to lose nearly 300 of those newly elected MPs in a matter of months if polls are to be believed.

Disastrous policy decisions so far that have resulted in u-turn after u-turn and was faced with losing a vote that would have been seen as a vote in confidence in him and his leadership which he and the cabinet knew, hence yet another u-turn.

He won’t last the distance.
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Labour have made mistakes granted but the WFA was a huge mistake and the Welfare reform bill is another one, characterised by confusion and uncertainty.
If you have multiple sclerosis before the cut off date you get the full rate and diagnosed afterwards the low rate.

It’s amateur and pathetic but it’s our foreign policy that troubles me he’s a stubborn man holding out against the Palestinians in Gaza I don’t hear, him calling for an immediate ceasefire and release of hostages no he’s toast.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I think there is broad consensus that the system needs reform and had the bill been well thought out with credible plans for reform and measures to help people get back to work, it would have been VERY difficult for the Tories to oppose it. So the difficulty Labour have been facing is I think entirely self-inflicted. This is a case where I think a huge majority could relatively easily have been pleased.

I listened to some of Badenoch's speech today (not all of it, she went on a bit) but I was shocked to hear some of the stats. Apparently, we have 28m people in the country working and 28m not working, being supported by those in work. That cannot possibly continue unless we are all heading for the poor house.

3,000 people per day are going on to incapacity benefit, +50% up from when Labour took over. This is madness.
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Yes, I agree, it is madness but it is happening and has been doing so since C19.

So assuming any meaningful reform will piss off any group affected and we want public services to be maintained, where is the additional government income to come from?

Not the poor, nor the very rich, nor middle earners, not business, not VAT, employees NI or income tax, not rich pensioners, not rich farmers et al?

Any growth in the economy will/has been patchy so cannot be relied on in the immediate future. So where are people happy to pay more to maintain public services.
 
As someone who isn't much of a fan of this cabinet on the whole I think it's worth stating that there are however a sizeable number of Labour MPs that are willing to stand up and not be bullied by whips on behalf of people like Starmer, Reeves and Kendall.
Long may it continue.
 
hilts said:
As someone who isn't much of a fan of this cabinet on the whole I think it's worth stating that there are however a sizeable number of Labour MPs that are willing to stand up and not be bullied by whips on behalf of people like Starmer, Reeves and Kendall.
Long may it continue.
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That involves labour MPs acquiring a backbone.

Richard Quickley voted to abort kids, and kept quite about the grooming investigation.

What his wiki doesn't say he has 4 kids - 3 daughters.

There is a film or even bubble that protects any of these creatures in leadership. From Boris parties, that wierdo shagging in the office, to Starmer's rent boys. Impervious.

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Richard Quigley - Wikipedia

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Bruno37 said:
That involves labour MPs acquiring a backbone.

Richard Quickley voted to abort kids, and kept quite about the grooming investigation.

What his wiki doesn't say he has 4 kids - 3 daughters.

There is a film or even bubble that protects any of these creatures in leadership. From Boris parties, that wierdo shagging in the office, to Starmer's rent boys. Impervious.

en.wikipedia.org

Richard Quigley - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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I'm giving credit to the rebels and if I'm being honest i don't know much about them individually or the rest of the party who cowardly toe the party line. Having differing views is vital. You could never get 10 people to agree on everything so when you see blocs of MPs who do it they are of no use to anybody. May as well throw them in a bin.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I think there is broad consensus that the system needs reform and had the bill been well thought out with credible plans for reform and measures to help people get back to work, it would have been VERY difficult for the Tories to oppose it. So the difficulty Labour have been facing is I think entirely self-inflicted. This is a case where I think a huge majority could relatively easily have been pleased.

I listened to some of Badenoch's speech today (not all of it, she went on a bit) but I was shocked to hear some of the stats. Apparently, we have 28m people in the country working and 28m not working, being supported by those in work. That cannot possibly continue unless we are all heading for the poor house.

3,000 people per day are going on to incapacity benefit, +50% up from when Labour took over. This is madness.
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Yes, the whole system does need a radical reform. I doubt that we have the people with the necessary vision to do it though.

The country needs a complete shift, because I've never seen (in my job) so many people presenting with mental health issues.
Whether that is the result of terrible infrastructure or "modern" living (and the horrible effects on some of social media and it's ever reaching malign influence) remains to be seen. A toxic combination of both I think.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Noticable that Starmer is not in the chamber to support the Bill. Very interesting.

Badenoch is there.
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Yes, it is interesting. So lots of concessions made and no savings made. Which of your taxes are you prepared to see rise to pay, what is on the way, to becoming an unsustainable welfare budget?
 
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