The Labour Government

johnnytapia said:
Lawyers and doctors struggling to finance the cost of privately educating their kids.
Wait a minute, what’s that I can hear?
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That’s the point though, it’s not these people that will be disadvantaged, it will be hard working parents who sacrifice everything to give their kids a private education. At MGS around 200 boys receive a full or partial bursary so not exactly families full of doctors and lawyers. Potentially the VAT increase may now mean these kids don’t have the chance for private education. As I have said earlier because many kids will leave and join the private sector the actual amount raised isn’t huge and only one in five schools will receive one extra teacher.
 
Eds said:
That’s the point though, it’s not these people that will be disadvantaged, it will be hard working parents who sacrifice everything to give their kids a private education. At MGS around 200 boys receive a full or partial bursary so not exactly families full of doctors and lawyers. Potentially the VAT increase may now mean these kids don’t have the chance for private education. As I have said earlier because many kids will leave and join the private sector the actual amount raised isn’t huge and only one in five schools will receive one extra teacher.
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If you believe that these small number of children will be disadvantaged by going to state schools then you are saying private school kids currently receive a huge head start over the vast majority of kids in this country.
If you think kids should get ahead in life based on the depth of their parents pockets then I'm not gonna go for it tbh.

Maybe they could use the money saved on part time tutors to supplement their free education and stand on the head of other kids that way?
 
hilts said:
If you believe that these small number of children will be disadvantaged by going to state schools then you are saying private school kids currently receive a huge head start over the vast majority of kids in this country.
If you think kids should get ahead in life based on the depth of their parents pockets then I'm not gonna go for it tbh.

Maybe they could use the money saved on part time tutors to supplement their free education and stand on the head of other kids that way?
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I am not saying any of that at all. I am saying that according to Labours own figures this policy will raise £1.7b. Sounds all fine and dandy until you realise that possibly 65% or more of that money will be lost and whilst 6,500 teachers might be hired that’s one teacher for every five schools. It’s not going to touch the sides. Education standards definitely need to be improved, not sure this is the best way of doing it.
 
Eds said:
It's an interesting policy as the headline figure of 6,500 teachers sounds impressive until you are told that there are over 32k schools in the UK. So roughly 1 in 5 schools will receive one additional teacher and whilst it is a start it's like pissing in the wind. The other issue is of course that the stats show that maybe 20% of pupils who are currently at private schools will move to state schools so around 100 - 120k pupils. Each pupil costs just under £8k per annum so whilst the policy will raise some money, according to Labour's own figures 65% will be lost, whilst according to the Tories the figure will be 123% meaning the policy will cost the country money as opposed to raising it. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Paying for extra teachers will be easier than retaining them under the current system. The workload caused by endless bureaucracy and ofsted is making many leave the profession early. This needs addressing quickly.
 
Eds said:
I am not saying any of that at all. I am saying that according to Labours own figures this policy will raise £1.7b. Sounds all fine and dandy until you realise that possibly 65% or more of that money will be lost and whilst 6,500 teachers might be hired that’s one teacher for every five schools. It’s not going to touch the sides. Education standards definitely need to be improved, not sure this is the best way of doing it.
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Even if the figures are right it still brings in money. The country is in a mess my priorities aren't the wealthy and their angst over their kids getting an advantage over everyone else's
 
Eds said:
That’s the point though, it’s not these people that will be disadvantaged, it will be hard working parents who sacrifice everything to give their kids a private education. At MGS around 200 boys receive a full or partial bursary so not exactly families full of doctors and lawyers. Potentially the VAT increase may now mean these kids don’t have the chance for private education. As I have said earlier because many kids will leave and join the private sector the actual amount raised isn’t huge and only one in five schools will receive one extra teacher.
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If you look at it in terms of cost and revenue it will become clear how effective this change is over the next year or two. Personally I think it will be far less than 20% that will switch to the state sector but that won’t be known for some time.

However it should be looked at as removing a tax break for purchasers of a premium item which seems perfectly logical to do, and it seems bizarre that it was ever in place in the first place.
 
west didsblue said:
If you look at it in terms of cost and revenue it will become clear how effective this change is over the next year or two. Personally I think it will be far less than 20% that will switch to the state sector but that won’t be known for some time.

However it should be looked at as removing a tax break for purchasers of a premium item which seems perfectly logical to do, and it seems bizarre that it was ever in place in the first place.
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Not that bizarre. Institutions are often captured by special interest groups.

It was wrong, but it's all part of the circle of political life that some upper class and upper middle class people find a way to give themselves a leg up at the expense of the wider public and don't have any qualms about doing so.
 
Eds said:
That’s the point though, it’s not these people that will be disadvantaged, it will be hard working parents who sacrifice everything to give their kids a private education. At MGS around 200 boys receive a full or partial bursary so not exactly families full of doctors and lawyers. Potentially the VAT increase may now mean these kids don’t have the chance for private education. As I have said earlier because many kids will leave and join the private sector the actual amount raised isn’t huge and only one in five schools will receive one extra teacher.
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By any objective measure, it’s a professional fee. It should therefore be subject to VAT.
 
Time to introduce caps on rent, like there are caps on energy prices. Rents are becoming ridiculous. Should also be caps on food prices since supermarkets will never lower then to how they were before the crisis out of the goodness of their own hearts.
 
Mycenae said:
Time to introduce caps on rent, like there are caps on energy prices. Rents are becoming ridiculous. Should also be caps on food prices since supermarkets will never lower then to how they were before the crisis out of the goodness of their own hearts.
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Ask all the unemployed builders in Scotland how rental caps are working because no one wants to
Invest there anymore.
 
law74 said:
I would charge the private school wankers a lot more.
Maybe they can follow Cameron's advice and sell off some ground or maybe a couple of buildings for social housing.
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Private school wankers? You mean my son?

Politics of envy
 
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