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Chippy_boy said:
I agree to an extent. However I don’t remember this fake acting “gosh it’s so much worse than we thought”. Especially when it is demonstrably a blatant lie.

And I don’t remember previously, SUCH a stark difference between pre-election talk of hope and sunny uplands, contrasted with post-election, “this is going to be REALLY bad”

Even the few people who actually voted for these tossers are thinking WTF????
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I would say, if you don’t want to vote for tossers, don’t vote at all. Britain needs creative thinkers in government, not the same old tired policies. Where are those thinkers? I see no difference between the parties other than temporary policies which are not fundamental.
 
Chippy_boy said:
He was painting a picture of positivity under Labour before though with not a whiff of “things will get worse before they get better”.

And how on earth can he keep a straight face when lying about a surprise £22bn black hole, is beyond me.
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No, he was painting a picture that the country needed change. We all knew that the economy was in trouble-but not just how much. The Tories did and still proceeded to cut NI,something Jeremy Hunt said after the election they couldn't afford. The truth is, none of know what information Labour had access to, but therewere plenty of comments before the elction that Snak had gone early because they knew things were going to get worse-and they are going to.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
I'm not. They aren't called patients either.

It's no one's job to persuade people to stop smoking. If they aren't interested at all there's usually no point bothering.

The only person who have responsibility in stopping are smokers.

You seem to have trouble with the concept that people might think one thing and act in a different way. Why would I think any different about people who say they have been smoking for X decades as if it's something to be proud of?

And why would I care what you think when you make such a daft analogy.

Smokers who are inpatients at hospital are not allowed to smoke either. They are given nicotine replacement.
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Ok so you’re not in healthcare thus the rest of your post about dealing with smokers is nonsense. Leave you to your fantasy on that one lad.

And in patients are offered patches but have the right to decline (a human right you seem unable to accept smokers should have) those that are bodily able can go outside to smoke - whilst they are not supposed to smoke on hospital property they do, heath staff aren’t paid enough to give a shit if they are at the entrance to the hospital smoking or have taken themselves to a bush off site. They aren’t prisoners.
 
hampshireblue said:
No, he was painting a picture that the country needed change. We all knew that the economy was in trouble-but not just how much. The Tories did and still proceeded to cut NI,something Jeremy Hunt said after the election they couldn't afford. The truth is, none of know what information Labour had access to, but therewere plenty of comments before the elction that Snak had gone early because they knew things were going to get worse-and they are going to.
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Ffs, don’t mention pictures.
 
Chippy_boy said:
He was painting a picture of positivity under Labour before though with not a whiff of “things will get worse before they get better”.

And how on earth can he keep a straight face when lying about a surprise £22bn black hole, is beyond me. He must think we’re all idiots.
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There’s a fair few idiots on here who believe the horseshit about £22bn.

Hook, line and sinker. Absolute stooges the lot of them.
 
Brewster's millions said:
There’s a fair few idiots on here who believe the horseshit about £22bn.

Hook, line and sinker. Absolute stooges the lot of them.
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As someone who was regularly taken in by Johnson and Sunak I’m not sure you’re in a position to criticise anyone who doesn’t share your opinion of Starmer’s narrative. If you’re looking for a stooge try the mirror.
 
metalblue said:
Ok so you’re not in healthcare thus the rest of your post about dealing with smokers is nonsense. Leave you to your fantasy on that one lad.
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It's not but considering your tone you aren't deserving of the details.
metalblue said:
And in patients are offered patches but have the right to decline (a human right you seem unable to accept smokers should have) those that are bodily able can go outside to smoke - whilst they are not supposed to smoke on hospital property they do, heath staff aren’t paid enough to give a shit if they are at the entrance to the hospital smoking or have taken themselves to a bush off site. They aren’t prisoners.
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I didn't pretend they were. Just proves how selfish many smokers are though.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I agree to an extent. However I don’t remember this fake acting “gosh it’s so much worse than we thought”. ...
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Thankfully, one need not rely on memory.

Now that we have had a chance to look at what has really been going on, I want to tell you the scale of the problem that we face.

...Today, our national debt stands at £770 billion. Within just five years it is set to nearly double to £1.4 trillion. To put it in perspective, that is some £22,000 for every man, woman and child in our country.

....Now, we knew this before. Soon,the independent Office for Budget Responsibility will set out independent forecasts that will show the scale of the problem we are in today. For the first time people will be able to see a really truly independent assessment of the nation’s finances and the size of the structural deficit.

This important innovation has been noticed around the world, and I believe will help restore confidence in our fiscal framework. But what I can tell you today – and what we did not know for sure before, in fact what we could not know, because the previous Chancellor of the Exchequer did not make the figures available – is how much the interest on our debt is likely to increase in the years to come.

David Cameron, June 2010
 
Chippy_boy said:
He was painting a picture of positivity under Labour before though with not a whiff of “things will get worse before they get better”.

And how on earth can he keep a straight face when lying about a surprise £22bn black hole, is beyond me. He must think we’re all idiots.
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How big is the black hole then ?
 
Chippy_boy said:
I agree to an extent. However I don’t remember this fake acting “gosh it’s so much worse than we thought”. Especially when it is demonstrably a blatant lie.

And I don’t remember previously, SUCH a stark difference between pre-election talk of hope and sunny uplands, contrasted with post-election, “this is going to be REALLY bad”

Even the few people who actually voted for these tossers are thinking WTF????
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Didn’t the Tories do the same after the financial crisis ? And what about Tories / Brexit and sunny uplands how’s is that going by the way ?
 
Vic said:
Thankfully, one need not rely on memory.

Now that we have had a chance to look at what has really been going on, I want to tell you the scale of the problem that we face.

...Today, our national debt stands at £770 billion. Within just five years it is set to nearly double to £1.4 trillion. To put it in perspective, that is some £22,000 for every man, woman and child in our country.

....Now, we knew this before. Soon,the independent Office for Budget Responsibility will set out independent forecasts that will show the scale of the problem we are in today. For the first time people will be able to see a really truly independent assessment of the nation’s finances and the size of the structural deficit.

This important innovation has been noticed around the world, and I believe will help restore confidence in our fiscal framework. But what I can tell you today – and what we did not know for sure before, in fact what we could not know, because the previous Chancellor of the Exchequer did not make the figures available – is how much the interest on our debt is likely to increase in the years to come.

David Cameron, June 2010
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QED. The same old same old story. My previous post:
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They all do it. The plan is always the same:
1. Blame previous gov for leaving bad finances behind.
2. Increase taxes and make other unpopular changes.
3. Wait 4 years for people to forget. Maybe cut some taxes.
4. Call election.
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Thanks Vic.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Honestly Vic, I’ve no idea why we haven’t cut the foreign aid budget by much more if the country is as “unexpectedly” broke as the lying twats make out. What on earth are we giving money to India for? A country with its own space program. It’s ridiculous.
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We haven’t given the Indian government money directly via the international development budget for 13 years. The only parts of the UK foreign aid budget that goes to India is for R&D on projects of ‘mutual financial benefit’ (that’s to secure our place in the rapidly growing internal Indian market - you know, bilateral trade) and via our multilateral contributions to NGO aid organisations like UNICEF and the International Red Cross and we don’t stipulate to them where they can spend their money, provided they’re not breaking sanctions.

Cutting money from foreign aid is a short-term benefit for long-term detriment. I’m not saying don’t do it, but at least know what you’re putting at risk by doing it. Incidentally, india will be the world’s most populous country by 2050. Favourable access to that market drives our foreign aid approach to India. Foreign aid is soft power, it’s not the international equivalent of £5 a month to Cat’s Protection League.
 
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Blue and true said:
Went to a pub in Shropshire for lunch earlier in the Summer, it was fairly rammed. A few kids here and there. One thing nobody did was light up; despite this proposal being non-existent at the time. That's because most recognise that in this day and age it's common decency not to smoke in front of others. Any parent taking their kid to a pub while they get hammered is obviously unfit, but most aren't like that. At least not the ones I know.
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So ou've been to a pub/restaurant once all 'summer'. I go in proper pubs ever dai that don't serve grub. Should thee be forced to ban smoking in the garden?
Seems obvious that a blanket ban, as usual, is not the wa forward.
Apologies for the shit spelling, the letter next to T on m laptop isn't working.
 
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