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mexico1970 said:
Can't see the government putting the power into the hands of nefarious ticket touts they'd forgo any of the taxes they get right now.

Like every get rich quick scheme the government of the day wants to quantify their pinch.
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They wouldn't be putting the power into ticket touts. They would be taking it away.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
They wouldn't be putting the power into ticket touts. They would be taking it away.
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Nope not the ones outside the venues, there would be even more tickets available for them to profit from without the ticketmasters of this world owning all the game.

The government tax ticketmaster they don't tax the lad outside the venue whispering do you want a ticket.
 
Postman Pep said:
There you go.





www.declassifieduk.org

Revealed: Keir Starmer billed taxpayer nearly £250,000 for travel expenses at CPS

The Labour leader racked up an extraordinary expenses bill - an average of close to £50,000 a year - while he was senior public prosecutor, including a chauffeur-driven car alongside first and business class flights around the world.
www.declassifieduk.org www.declassifieduk.org
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He was probably getting his chauffer to drive round the Jasmine Allen Estate where he grew up. He was heard shouting out the window you may have sneered at us when I was a child but look at me now.

Can't blame him really. Those scars run deep.
 
mexico1970 said:
Nope not the ones outside the venues, there would be even more tickets available for them to profit from without the ticketmasters of this world owning all the game.

The government tax ticketmaster they don't tax the lad outside the venue whispering do you want a ticket.
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Stop defending the indefensible. I'm not talking about ticketmaster anyways.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Touts exploiting people wanting tickets , just so they can pay more tax. A laughable position.
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No I can't stand touts of any kind all I am explaining is the reason why the govt wants to keep corporate touts in the position they are in.

My opinion of who does the touting has no bearing on the matter, the Labour govt will keep the official touts in business because they have to pay tax.

What made you think that I support touts? Too much fucking red with your beef?
 
mexico1970 said:
No I can't stand touts of any kind all I am explaining is the reason why the govt wants to keep corporate touts in the position they are in.

My opinion of who does the touting has no bearing on the matter, the Labour govt will keep the official touts in business because they have to pay tax.

What made you think that I support touts? Too much fucking red with your beef?
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Because that's the reason you gave. The tax paid on resale of tickets will be minimal.
www.theguardian.com

Viagogo boss Cris Miller: Carrying on ticketing, despite the controversy

The resale website boss is cagey about talk of it profiting from dodgy touts, but does seem rattled by Labour’s plan to cap resale prices
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Viagogo are US owned so pay no effective UK tax.

Have you changed your mind now?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Because that's the reason you gave. The tax paid on resale of tickets will be minimal.
www.theguardian.com

Viagogo boss Cris Miller: Carrying on ticketing, despite the controversy

The resale website boss is cagey about talk of it profiting from dodgy touts, but does seem rattled by Labour’s plan to cap resale prices
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Viagogo are US owned so pay no effective UK tax.

Have you changed your mind now?
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Not really no, the resale tax of just VAT is 12.5% which is 12.5% of what the government would get from the bloke outside the venue.

What causes overcharging and the touts who benefit are the marks who are prepared to pay the prices, if there wasn't a market they wouldn't exist.
 
mosssideblue said:
For sure the likes of Viagogo, but I was thinking private sales
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Can't really enforce that. But changing the law will deter some from private resale and the mass on line resale will stop overnight. So it will be much better than what we have now. Starmer said before the GE he was going to end online touting. Let's hope he's as good as his word.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Can't really enforce that. But changing the law will deter some from private resale and the mass on line resale will stop overnight. So it will be much better than what we have now. Starmer said before the GE he was going to end online touting. Let's hope he's as good as his word.
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I agree with you, but it's unenforceable when the demand for certain events is high. Stemming it isn't stopping it.

Queue up outside of the venue and get paper tickets, do it the old way. I know it's regressive but it would help but it wont kill touting completely.
 
mexico1970 said:
Not really no, the resale tax of just VAT is 12.5% which is 12.5% of what the government would get from the bloke outside the venue.

What causes overcharging and the touts who benefit are the marks who are prepared to pay the prices, if there wasn't a market they wouldn't exist.
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So you are defending it?? Haha very good. I think our conversation is at an end on this one fella.
 
west didsblue said:
I see you’re doubling down even after I proved you wrong.
In case you missed it £8k buys a first class one way ticket tomorrow to Washington DC. A return is £16k.
£6k in 2010 was clearly much more likely to be a business class ticket.
You’d get more respect if you admitted you were wrong sometimes rather than continuing to post nonsense that’s easily demonstrated to be nonsense by looking at the BA website.
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Absurd test. Rarely would anyone book work travel within 24 hours.

I can do the first class return flight with BA in 8 weeks or so for under £5k (bizarrely cheaper than business class). There is literally no way of knowing/proving what class of travel he was in.

I’ve no issue with the head of our CPS travelling first class. The board of the company I work for are all permitted to travel first class whereas I am not, I have to travel business or economy if it’s a short flight. It’s the perks of being the big wigs.
 
mexico1970 said:
No I am not defending it I am explaining how it happens, without the end user prepared to pay anything for the event there is no need for touts.

We ain't stopping greed overnight.
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You seem to be defending it to me saying that the demand is there so its not the resale conpanies fault and they pay tax. Or have I missed something.

Anyway Haha utd three nil down. Haha.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
You seem to be defending it to me saying that the demand is there so its not the resale conpanies fault and they pay tax. Or have I missed something.

Anyway Haha utd three nil down. Haha.
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No mate I am not saying that I am just pointing out it's effectively greed that causes it ;-)

I don't know how to feel about the score at the swamp, I am happy but feel dirty at the same time.
 
metalblue said:
Absurd test. Rarely would anyone book work travel within 24 hours.

I can do the first class return flight with BA in 8 weeks or so for under £5k (bizarrely cheaper than business class). There is literally no way of knowing/proving what class of travel he was in.

I’ve no issue with the head of our CPS travelling first class. The board of the company I work for are all permitted to travel first class whereas I am not, I have to travel business or economy if it’s a short flight. It’s the perks of being the big wigs.
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The point is that the expenses don’t spell it out what class it was yet his detractors have assumed with a level of certainty at odds with the information available that it was first class. I said right from the start it was most likely business class due to all the other fares on the expenses being lower and there being no reason for booking anything other if that’s the department’s travel policy. The price was much more likely to be business class than first. It wasn’t me that was unequivocally deciding what it was, and calling him evil for it.

By the way, the BA flight in two months is still £16k return and I very much doubt the department secretary spends her time on skyscanner trying to pick out cheap flights on a day nearest to the required travel date.
 
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metalblue said:
I think they should pay tax for all these gifts in kind (which I don’t believe they do today). Won’t raise billions but would make it look less like they’ve got their collective noses in the trough and perhaps they’ll accept less of these gifts if they have to dip in to their own pockets as well.
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They shouldn't be accepting gifts at all. In business, bungs used to be commonplace - christmas bottle or two, days out, gifts etc. But nowadays nearly all big companies don't allow it at all. We used to do corporate days e.g. at Wimbledon - not that I ever got to go - but we stopped because most big companies don't allow their staff to accept such things. Rightly so, IMO since it creates an unhealthy bond between the briber and bribee.

Starmer thinks the same, having objected to this sort of thing, ever since him being in opposition. But bungs he or his mates are receiving are ok, obviously.
 
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