The Labour Government

[stonerblue]

Does a Labour government bring in a final solution policy for them all and the left on here fall over themselves supporting it?

Lovely.

 

[stonerblue]

£12.50 per week. I’m booking my private jet as we speak. Off on my holidays.



Oh wait, I’ve got a fuel bill to pay and that’s gone up.
Travelling to the hospital and paying parking at least once per week some weeks more. Yes I could travel by bus but bus stops too far away for my walk.
I could go on but I forgot I’m an expendable pensioner. Sorry to butt in.

You'll be about. 7 quid a week better off taking the wfa into account.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I’m not objecting to paying my FAIR share of the taxes I hasten to explain. However the main word there is FAIR share.
When I see/hear that the tax dodgers both personal and big business ones are being targeted then I might feel better.

 

[ganganvince]

£12.50 per week. I’m booking my private jet as we speak. Off on my holidays.



Oh wait, I’ve got a fuel bill to pay and that’s gone up.
Travelling to the hospital and paying parking at least once per week some weeks more. Yes I could travel by bus but bus stops too far away for my walk.
I could go on but I forgot I’m an expendable pensioner. Sorry to butt in.

Assuming no means test introduced anytime soon.

 

[mexico1970]

I’m not objecting to paying my FAIR share of the taxes I hasten to explain. However the main word there is FAIR share.
When I see/hear that the tax dodgers both personal and big business ones are being targeted then I might feel better.

The did nothing when Blair was in power but when the Tories got in they promised that they would, now they they are in again they will wait until they are out before they promise to sort big business out.

Labour has pledged to make Google and Starbucks pay their ‘fair share of taxes’

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell promises to launch an 'aggressive' pursuit of tax avoiders Mr McDonnell sets out a plan to retrieve £25bn in corporate tax avoidance

www.independent.co.uk

 

[BlueHammer85]

It's more that they kept all the shit Tory policies and have no plans to get rid of them after years of calling them cruel.

They are removing the fuel allowance for well off pensioners but the bar will fall to catch others less fortunate in the trap.

Whilst ending the junior doctors strikes, how many operations and lives is that saving? Ending the train strikes, sorting out the NHS and dealing with the 22 billion black hole the Tories left - but yes, it’s Labour that are the cruel ones.

 

[hampshireblue]

The general public have to take their share of the blame, tell the truth about any tax rises and they lose their minds.
Starmer pretty much confirmed he is planning to suspend any mps who vote against him because they stood on the Labour mandate. Don't remember taking money off old poor cold folk being in their manifesto.
Nice to see he doesn't want other views in his party, Labour is a broad church he was forever saying. He's a bit of a **** on the quiet that bloke.

You're right about the public. You only have to look on here to see some of the bogus claims that generally go unchallenged. It's too easy generally for people to not check the source and validity of the "facts" that people put up.

I don't like it but a leader has the ability to remove the whip especially if MPs go against what was in the manifesto. What we are seeing here is the incoming Govt deciding to do something based on information that has come to light after the election. People will decide for themselves whether they believe that or not. On that basis, I don't think MPs should lose the whip as they didn't stand directly on that point. They did stand however on the basis that they klnew the economy needed sorting and this is one step towards doing it-like it or not, and for the record, I don't-it's clumsy and too much of a sledgehammer.

All the parties are a "broad church" according to them, but labout has probably done more over the last few years to change and sort themselves out. The Tories are looking as if they're going to have the likes of Honest Bob Jenrick as a leader-look up his past and you'll see he's just more of the same old dodgy mould.

 

[hampshireblue]

You earn or pay into a pension you should get a pension and all which it entails, Labour cutting the cloth from the wrong fucking end and people on here supporting that?

You're right, but when you and I started paying in, it didn't entail us getting a Winter fuel allowance. That was brought in as a temporary measure in 1997.

 

[Eccles Blue]

By the way I will still vote Labour if we have another election any time.

 

[hampshireblue]

If it's the 5.71% that's predicted it'll be circa £650 which you fully deserve after paying in for 40 years.

What some people don't realise is the current cost of living increases eats into the savings us FOC's have made to make our retired life comfortable whereby some people in employment are now getting inflation busting pay rises.

A brick layer I know is now charging £300'a day and his "hod carrier" gets £170 a day, equivalent to £40k per year for a labourer.

Please tell us you didn't vote for Brexit if you're moaning about workers getting increased pay. I thought the "foreigners" were coming in and driving salaries down-well now supply and demand has kicked in and pay is rising for all those downtrodden local workers.

 

[hampshireblue]

JD Vance says “Cut health benefits by getting better.”

And no doubt @PPT will be nodding in agreement.

 

[Kompany Car]

I took retirement at 56 after a serious illness. I had paid not only into "the system" for 38 years but also into a company pension for that whole period. I now drawdown on the pension and pay 40% tax on it. So how am I economically inactive?

But that's not what the government needs, they need you back in work, its not about paying your income tax its about creating wealth for the country. They pay you £30 an hour and the business charges you out at £90 an hour. You pay your tax and so does the business along with the associated increase in GDP.

 

[blueinsa]

But that not what the government needs, they need you back in work, its not about paying your income tax its about creating wealth for the country. They pay you £30 an hour and the business charges you out at £90 an hour. You pay your tax and so does the business along with the associated increase in GDP.

Yep, the sooner we all realise we are born into what is in reality a system that relies on our slave like labour for which we are paid just enough to live on whilst throwing it all back into the system every week/month the better.

No government is ever changing it either.

 

[hammocity]

Please tell us you didn't vote for Brexit if you're moaning about workers getting increased pay. I thought the "foreigners" were coming in and driving salaries down-well now supply and demand has kicked in and pay is rising for all those downtrodden local workers.

No idea what point you are making to me, I'm well aware of supply and demand and no I didn't vote for Brexit, it impacted on my business with a knock on that affected the people I employed, all be it small scale.

Btw, I don't moan, I get it with what I have to, I'll leave the moaning others, I'm just expressing an opinion.

 

[hammocity]

Across the western world, this is the picture, yet we have the lowest pension AND the highest retirement age. Meanwhile, swathes of companies who conduct their business here divert their profits to havens to reduce their tax bill. The two are incompatible: do business in this nation, pay tax in this nation.

£12.50 per week. I’m booking my private jet as we speak. Off on my holidays.



Oh wait, I’ve got a fuel bill to pay and that’s gone up.
Travelling to the hospital and paying parking at least once per week some weeks more. Yes I could travel by bus but bus stops too far away for my walk.
I could go on but I forgot I’m an expendable pensioner. Sorry to butt in.

You're correct Mrs EB, it's not a lot is it? I'm on your side btw, I just think Seniors getting a near 6% increase is seen by some as free money, it's not, like a lot of us I paid NI contributions for 47 years, my reward is about a state pension worth £220 a work and a draw down Pension that has lost 40% of its value in the past 5 years.

 

[mexico1970]

Whilst ending the junior doctors strikes, how many operations and lives is that saving? Ending the train strikes, sorting out the NHS and dealing with the 22 billion black hole the Tories left - but yes, it’s Labour that are the cruel ones.

They have sorted the sum total of fuck all out, when are they going to remove those cruel tory policies they whinged about for 14 years?

And sending Germanys asylum seekers to Rwanda is fine now.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

They have sorted the sum total of fuck all out, when are they going to remove those cruel tory policies they whinged about for 14 years?

And sending Germanys asylum seekers to Rwanda is fine now.

Since when have Germany adopted the Rwanda policy?

 

[mexico1970]

Since when have Germany adopted the Rwanda policy?

Does the news you only like register with you?

Germany considering Rwanda deportations using UK facilities after Labour ditched plan

Downing Street said it would not comment on the discussions between two foreign governments

www.independent.co.uk

German official says Rwanda deportation plan using UK facilities considered

German official proposes sending asylum seekers to facilities in Rwanda funded by the UK.

www.aljazeera.com

Could Germany resurrect Britain's Rwanda migrant scheme?

Germany is now considering resurrecting the plan to use Rwanda as a third party country for migrants, using facilities paid for by Britain

www.spectator.co.uk

German official suggests Rwanda scheme using UK facilities

Germany could use housing funded by the UK to process some asylum seekers in Rwanda, official suggests.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[metalblue]

Is that really the worst of it? The ONS did some research a few years ago on people who had never worked. They narrowed down to something like 10,000 out of 41 million, a group of "discouraged workers" who had not worked and had given up trying to find a job.

There really aren't lots of people who have never done a days work in their lives.

Yes that is the worst of it. 56% of pensioners haven’t paid full stamp. The worst of it is where they haven’t paid a single penny towards it, then you have those that have paid some, all of these folk get WFA. Paid all your stamp? Nah pal you can go without.

 

[metalblue]

Does the news you only like register with you?

Germany considering Rwanda deportations using UK facilities after Labour ditched plan

Downing Street said it would not comment on the discussions between two foreign governments

www.independent.co.uk

German official says Rwanda deportation plan using UK facilities considered

German official proposes sending asylum seekers to facilities in Rwanda funded by the UK.

www.aljazeera.com

Could Germany resurrect Britain's Rwanda migrant scheme?

Germany is now considering resurrecting the plan to use Rwanda as a third party country for migrants, using facilities paid for by Britain

www.spectator.co.uk

German official suggests Rwanda scheme using UK facilities

Germany could use housing funded by the UK to process some asylum seekers in Rwanda, official suggests.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oblivious mate.