The Labour Government

BlueAnorak said:
The national minimum wage is around £10k PA more than the State Pension.
Every recipient of the full state pension who has paid into a state pension for 35 years has to earn a bit more than the state pension in other income to be above the minimum wage.
Yet every pensioner in this bracket will lose the winter fuel allowance - though some will be able to claim some additional pension credits - though many will be too proud to even try.
The Labour Party predicted 4000 deaths in 2017 for a proposed measure that merely taxed the Winter Fuel Allowance payment.
What's changed?
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Incidently - Pension Credit top up payment's can only be claimed on total Pensioner income at or below the following thresholds:
£218.15 if you're single. £332.95 if you're a couple.
Of course means tested benefits are only taken up by around 60% of people and cost between £4 and £6 a week to administer (between £208 and 320 a year) All info in here:
 
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bluethrunthru said:
I retired 3 years ago at 60 on workplace pensions. Won't see state until 68. I own my house - does benefits pick up the rent if you sell up and go to rent
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Doubt it but I was talking about once you hit state pension age, get yourself to Vegas blow it on Charlie and birds come back, you’ll not get pension credit anyway with your workplace pension but once your in your care home you won’t care anyway.
 
mexico1970 said:
Again, we shouldn't be taking off pensioners to fund the people not working. Don't bring the disabled or sick into it they are a drop in the ocean.

Excuses excuses excuses.
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My wife lives off dla and doesn't get winter fuel allowance.
Her parents own a house worth over half a million and have over 100k in the bank. They get wfa.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Incidently - Pension Credit top up payment's can only be claimed on total Pensioner income at or below the following thresholds:
£218.15 if you're single. £332.95 if you're a couple.
Of course means tested benefits are only taken up by around 60% of people and cost between £4 and £6 a week to administer (between £208 and 320 a year) All info in here:
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yeah try living on £218 quid a week. Some right clueless cunts on here
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
It is obvious but did they have to make the pensioners pay for it ? Tell me why they couldn’t have gone after Tax fraud and introduce a staged withdrawal of WFP
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People are posting as if this is the only measure labour are taking. I’m sure the category of people you said ( and many others), will be targeted.
 
mosssideblue said:
People are posting as if this is the only measure labour are taking. I’m sure the category of people you said ( and many others), will be targeted.
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yeah more pensioners hammered with council tax discount removal.

Labour Tory all cunts
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Was it Brown who decided to raid the pension fund and combine it into general taxation that’s when he changed the name into a benefit.
Even pensioners pay tax the chancellor hopes they won’t be around or very few by the next election
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It was Osborne .... who then used the change to increase the pension age and steal billions off the 50's women.
 
mexico1970 said:
That reply had no bearing at all to what I stated, my position is fairly clear and that position is that a real Labour party should help the poor first.

The new disciples of Kier however are just Tories, everyone should bite the bullet to help those less fortunate but the new Tories haven't mentioned anything other than pensioners just yet.

Let me make it clear, he shouldn't have started with them he should have eventually gotten around to them, slippery fucker that he is.
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I actually don't know what you stated position is in so many areas.

Here's an idea: They maintain their position on the WFA but raise the Pension Credit threshold to, let's say, £16000. That gets around the major problem of those people who have a small personal pension losing out. at the same time there is a commitment that those pensioners on the very lowest income will be reviewed with a view to actually increasing the WFA for those from next year.

I've no doubt that every single person in this country is going to have to take some pain in some way, to what degree we will have to wait and see.

I agree they shouldn't have started with them but I do think that the Qualifying Week has something to do with it.
 
metalblue said:
If that were true, and there we no connection between you contributing NI and your pension benefit, then why do you have to contribute 10 years of NI to qualify for any state pension and 35 to qualify for it all? That that correlation exists creates a contract.

The fact the government pay for current pensions out of current taxes is “just in time” financial planning on their part.
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Exactly. And why can you pay any NI you have missed to increase your pension?
With that alone there has to be a direct link to NI contributions to the level of state pension you receive. To say their is no link is utter claptrap
 
Postman Pep said:
Looking forward to the numerous Labour MPs who have been briefing the media how upset they are over the WFA taking a moral stance today....... by abstaining.
I'm sure that will warm the hearts of pensioners this winter.
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People don’t vote MPs in to abstain. That’s a cowards way out. Vote in favour or against. Any MP who abstains on this or any other vote need to be called out by the people they are elected by. Shithouses of the highest order.
 
hampshireblue said:
Here's an idea: They maintain their position on the WFA but raise the Pension Credit threshold to, let's say, £16000. That gets around the major problem of those people who have a small personal pension losing out. at the same time there is a commitment that those pensioners on the very lowest income will be reviewed with a view to actually increasing the WFA for those from next year.
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They raised the "new" state pension to just £4 over the pension credit limit for a reason. To stop people claiming pension credit. No chance that gets raised.

People on pension credit are better off than people who have only state pension.

That isn't right.
 
mancityvstoke said:
They raised the "new" state pension to just £4 over the pension credit limit for a reason. To stop people claiming pension credit. No chance that gets raised.

People on pension credit are better off than people who have only state pension.

That isn't right.
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'They' being the Conservatives.

I wish that peopled made this much fuss when the Tories 'honoured' the Triple Lock promise but then failed to increase the minimum tax threshold.
 
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