The Labour Government

[kaz7]

I’ve no particular issue with prisoners being let out early. The problem is about 70% of them are homeless now. No planning.

Cause and effect. They’ve not really thought some of their earlier decisions through terrible well.

They have no choice but to free up prison places , the tories let them drop to a hundred in the whole country., What do labour do ? The police have to be able to arrest criminals and the courts send some to prison, without that happening might as well decriminalise everything

 

[BlueAnorak]

Weird watching a conservative and labour supporters discus the winter payment taken of the pensioners, it was like roles reversed!

Yep - the thing is though can you image the vitriol of the usual suspects if the Tories had done this?
Yet a Labour government does it and with the odd exception - support for Reeves!
Incredible.
Not just WFA now though - it's now looking like single pensioner Council Tax relief and free travel passes on top.
So you will now only have the option of freezing in your home without the option of traveling to public buildings to keep warm.
Lovely - a pogrom on older folks couldn't be designed better.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

If that were true, and there we no connection between you contributing NI and your pension benefit, then why do you have to contribute 10 years of NI to qualify for any state pension and 35 to qualify for it all? That that correlation exists creates a contract.

The fact the government pay for current pensions out of current taxes is “just in time” financial planning on their part.

Good question :) in my case 45years of paying a NI stamp and employers contribution to that stamp
The NI fund is still separate from Tax but in stead of government taking a surplus from the fund since 1978 they use more of it on means tested benefits.
The government would have us believe they pay state pension out of income tax that’s not so. Whereas 70% from the fund went on state benefits including our pensions it’s probably a lot less now as government uses more of the fund the pot gets smaller and smaller

It was Osborne .... who then used the change to increase the pension age and steal billions off the 50's women.

Thanks :) Osborne that’s right in France they riot in the UK everyone thinks pension age is a long way off we won’t worry about the State Pension. A lot never reach pension age after working all their lives.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Yep - the thing is though can you image the vitriol of the usual suspects if the Tories had done this?
Yet a Labour government does it and with the odd exception - support for Reeves!
Incredible.
Not just WFP though it's now looking like single pensioner Council Tax relief and free travel passes on top.
So you will now only have the option of freezing in your home without the option of traveling to public buildings to keep warm.
Lovely - a pogrom on older folks couldn't be designed better.

This is the new Labour mantra - A NEW DEAL FOR WORKING PEOPLE! So anyone who isn't working, and anyone who has worked but is now retired can just go and screw yerself. And the folk who are receiving the "New Deal' appear not to be floundering around the bread line. I await a double percentage increase for MPs.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

They have no choice but to free up prison places , the tories let them drop to a hundred in the whole country., What do labour do ? The police have to be able to arrest criminals and the courts send some to prison, without that happening might as well decriminalise everything

Whilst you’re correct, we do have a massive prison population compared to our closest European neighbours.
Even if we locked people up at the same rate as France, we’d have 10,000 fewer prisoners. If we did it at the same rate as Finland, we’d have 50,000 fewer prisoners.
Estimated cost for a prisoner is £52,000 means we are spending over £4B a year on keeping people in the nick. We must be able to spend a lot of that money better, surely?

 

[Kompany Car]

if the figures were separated out we would find in today's figures:

Average Salary: £33000
NI Paid per year: £2083

So if you are "fully Paid up" you will have worked 35 years so will have paid in 2083 x 35 = £72905. The max pension is £11502.

Just run that amount through the calculator on here... https://www.2020financial.co.uk/pension-forecast-calculator/ which uses data from the last 100yrs of stock market and bond rates.

Investing £2083 per year for 35 years in a balanced portfolio (bonds, cash, stocks/shares) gives you an average outturn of £471k with that amount you could drawdown £11502 indefinitely which increases with inflation of 2.5% year on year and still have far more than the principal sum left over when you peg it.

Not suggesting thats what should happen but interesting none the less and before anyone says it, yes I know NI pays for more than pensions.

 

[mexico1970]

My wife lives off dla and doesn't get winter fuel allowance.
Her parents own a house worth over half a million and have over 100k in the bank. They get wfa.

But she'll get it when she reaches old age, as long as we bring these charlatans to account now so we don't lose it for all pensioners.

 

[TinFoilHat]

This is the new Labour mantra - A NEW DEAL FOR WORKING PEOPLE! So anyone who isn't working, and anyone who has worked but is now retired can just go and screw yerself. And the folk who are receiving the "New Deal' appear not to be floundering around the bread line. I await a double percentage increase for MPs.

"unions and businesses working in partnership"

Code to the TUC to not even think about their unions going on strike when they get offered shit pay offers.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

They have no choice but to free up prison places , the tories let them drop to a hundred in the whole country., What do labour do ? The police have to be able to arrest criminals and the courts send some to prison, without that happening might as well decriminalise everything

Come on Kaz, you know it’s all Starmers fault.

 

[inbetween]

Yep - the thing is though can you image the vitriol of the usual suspects if the Tories had done this?
Yet a Labour government does it and with the odd exception - support for Reeves!
Incredible.
Not just WFP though it's now looking like single pensioner Council Tax relief and free travel passes on top.
So you will now only have the option of freezing in your home without the option of traveling to public buildings to keep warm.
Lovely - a pogrom on older folks couldn't be designed better.

Only 25% or so of pensioners vote Labour. You can see why Labour aren't exactly going to run to put pensioners first.

 

[maxwellblue]

Labournomics

 

[maxwellblue]

They have no choice but to free up prison places , the tories let them drop to a hundred in the whole country., What do labour do ? The police have to be able to arrest criminals and the courts send some to prison, without that happening might as well decriminalise everything

Maybe send all the foreign prisoners back to their homeland would be a start and not imprison 50 year old women for making a post on face book would also help.

 

[mexico1970]

Maybe send all the foreign prisoners back to their homeland would be a start and not imprison 50 year old women for making a post on face book would also help.

Just waiting for the reoffenders to rock back up to the big gates, it'll happen a lot sooner rather than later.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Yep - the thing is though can you image the vitriol of the usual suspects if the Tories had done this?
Yet a Labour government does it and with the odd exception - support for Reeves!
Incredible.
Not just WFP though it's now looking like single pensioner Council Tax relief and free travel passes on top.
So you will now only have the option of freezing in your home without the option of traveling to public buildings to keep warm.
Lovely - a pogrom on older folks couldn't be designed better.

Assume you have been fulminating on the closure of public buildings over the last 14 years? Over 4000 public buildings being sold off every year, with a massive amount more requiring renewal or repair. Over 4000 public buildings still contain asbestos..

All that being said, what is a shame is that we can’t just agree to try to support the poor somewhat better, whoever they are and stop protecting our own interests all the time.
For example, what you won’t often have noticed, is older people protesting about cuts that affect children, such as sure start, or universal credit having to £20 uplift being taken away, or bemoaning the fact that students are paying an extra 9% on their income tax, just to owe more and more on their student loans every year.

Of course, we could all ask why Shell, Equinor, Exxon and BP are making £65B in net profits a year between them (a weeks worth would be enough to restore the WFA) and could they perhaps behave a little differently?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Come on Kaz, you know it’s all Starmers fault.

Whoever gets mugged, stabbed, burgled or robbed by anyone who has been let out of clink early can point the finger solely at Shabana and Sir Starmer!

 

[mexico1970]

All that being said, what is a shame is that we can’t just agree to try to support the poor somewhat better, whoever they are and stop protecting our own interests all the time.

I suspect those days are long gone, most protest now are people telling other people what to do and how to do it.

Supporting the lower tier of well off people should always be our aim.

 

[maxwellblue]

Just waiting for the reoffenders to rock back up to the big gates, it'll happen a lot sooner rather than later.

Guaranteed. Saw an interview with one that had just cone out who said it was his first conviction. The guy in the studio did a quick Google and found he'd been done 11 times and the one he'd been released for was for gbh on a stranger who refused to give him a fag so he beat the shit out of him and got 4 years, just let out after 14 mths. What purpose do scrotes like that serve society.

 

[mexico1970]

Guaranteed. Saw an interview with one that had just cone out who said it was his first conviction. The guy in the studio did a quick Google and found he'd been done 11 times and the one he'd been released for was for gbh on a stranger who refused to give him a fag so he beat the shit out of him and got 4 years, just let out after 14 mths. What purpose do acrotes like that serve society.

Cunts are giving interviews out like they have just been emancipated from Guantanamo, now the criminals are the victims.

Thanks Labour.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Just waiting for the reoffenders to rock back up to the big gates, it'll happen a lot sooner rather than later.

Trouble is, prison has largely given up on rehabilitation, so most of them turn up again, whether they are released sooner or later. Like most other things, our probation system and much of our prison estate has been hived off to private companies. State sanctioned punishment and or rehab services should be run by the state and not for profit.

 

[maxwellblue]

Cunts are giving interviews out like they have just been emancipated from Guantanamo, now the criminals are the victims.

Thanks Labour.

Yep, I thought we were all lead to believe it would only those who had committed minor offences that would be let out and no violent or sexual offenders would be considered.