The Labour Government

Mr Kobayashi said:
The money deducted from your salary and other taxes etc, e.g. VAT isn't your money. It's public money.

The Conservative goverment of which you had posters on your bedroom wall gave much more money away to compensate passengers for delays away due to prolonging strikes and guaranteeing profits of TOCs.
Click to expand...

I fundamentally, completely, disagree with you.

My employer pays ME to do work for them. They give ME the money. The government does not have any of its own money, only money it takes off working people like me. They take money that my employer pays ME and grab some of it for themselves. It does not become THEIR money when they do that. It is OUR money, that they are using to fund XYZ.

Similarly a thief cannot say this is MY money when he has stolen money off you. It is YOUR money that the thief has stolen. It is not the thiefs money.

Now everyone accepts that we need a level of taxation to pay for public services and that is fine. But please do not fall into the trap of thinking that the government is spending its own money. It isn't. It is spending your, and other taxpayers, money.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
scrapped the Rwandan plan, sorted out pay for doctors and trains and ended the strikes - lifeblood of our country.
Stamped out the Farage racist riots.
Starmer working with EU states on a regular basis, discussing migration issue with Italy PM.
GB Energy looking like a great initiative to help tackle climate change but also not relying on foreign investment.
Coming down on water firms which the Tories let pollute our rivers and seas, also coming down on the Covid dodgy contracts and wasted billions.

lots of positives so far in which is very early days.
Click to expand...
Staggering, absolutely staggering. If Starmer was caught pants down reaming the Pope, you'd dress it up as a positive.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Staggering, absolutely staggering. If Starmer was caught pants down reaming the Pope, you'd dress it up as a positive.
Click to expand...
He’s made valid points but none of the positives scream headline maker like the WFA fiasco.
I’m still shocked that a man who is no doubt very very smart in many respects allowed his party to get caught out so easily and so quickly into its long wait to run the country.
It made no sense, still doesn’t.
 
Phil1 said:
He’s made valid points but none of the positives scream headline maker like the WFA fiasco.
I’m still shocked that a man who is no doubt very very smart in many respects allowed his party to get caught out so easily and so quickly into its long wait to run the country.
It made no sense, still doesn’t.
Click to expand...
Disagree with that, stopping the strikes is much more positive and worthy of headlines imo
 
BlueHammer85 said:
scrapped the Rwandan plan, sorted out pay for doctors and trains and ended the strikes - lifeblood of our country.
Stamped out the Farage racist riots.
Starmer working with EU states on a regular basis, discussing migration issue with Italy PM.
GB Energy looking like a great initiative to help tackle climate change but also not relying on foreign investment.
Coming down on water firms which the Tories let pollute our rivers and seas, also coming down on the Covid dodgy contracts and wasted billions.

All positive for me.
Click to expand...
I'm hoping they are doing wedding cake politics.

Everyone has to eat the shit in the middle before we can all eat the marzipan.
 
mosssideblue said:
Disagree with that, stopping the strikes is much more positive and worthy of headlines imo
Click to expand...
That’s not what I’m saying. We live in a world where journalism doesn’t care about positives, only big fuck off headlines that can appeal to the masses.
Of course the stopping of strikes is a big positive but it’s far far outweighed in the countries perception of killing thousands of pensioners (it won’t, but that’s what the not rights are going with)
 
BridgyDids said:
And likewise, if he cured cancer you’d hammer him for not doing it sooner.
Click to expand...
No, genuinely I would not. In all seriousness, I cannot think of a single positive thing that they have done since taking power. Not one single positive thing. Nothing.

From agreeing to pay rises with nothing in return, to taking away the WFA to calling anyone who's concerned about mass migration and right wing thug, to presiding over people being jailed for tweets, to handing out favours to cronies, accepting bribes for him and his mrs, lying - overt lying - about a black hole (a) of their own making and (b) that they knew about all along. Thousands more arriving on boats whilst doing nothing to even remotely deter it. Billions committed to foreign green projects. Bunging £500m at Tata to put people out of work. It's ALL horseshit. All of it. There isn't one solitary decent thing they have done.

If they do something "good" I wiil applaud it. I am all ears.
 
Last edited:
BlueHammer85 said:
There's your answer, anything positive is drowned out by any sign of negativity, especially nowadays in our social media world.
Click to expand...
I know. That’s the point I was making.
He’s made an error of judgement imo.
Luckily he’s got a few years to show he can rectify this by being a strong Labour leader that has the country’s well being at heart.
Politics these days to the man on the street is as much about the optics as actual politics.
 
Chippy_boy said:
No, genuinely I would not. In all seriousness, I cannot think of a single positive thing that they have done since taking power. Not one single positive thing. Nothing.

From agreeing to pay rises with nothing in return, to taking away the WFA to calling anyone who's concerned about mass migration and right wing thug, to presiding over people being jailed for tweets, to handing out favours to cronies, accepting bribes for him and his mrs, lying - overt lying - about a black hole (a) of their own making and (b) that they knew about all along. Thousands more arriving on boats whilst doing nothing to even remotely deter it. There isn't one solitary decent thing they have done.

If they do something "good" I wiil applaud it. I am all ears.
Click to expand...
Christ on a bike, you are suffering
 
Chippy_boy said:
No, genuinely I would not. In all seriousness, I cannot think of a single positive thing that they have done since taking power. Not one single positive thing. Nothing.

From agreeing to pay rises with nothing in return, to taking away the WFA to calling anyone who's concerned about mass migration and right wing thug, to presiding over people being jailed for tweets, to handing out favours to cronies, accepting bribes for him and his mrs, lying - overt lying - about a black hole (a) of their own making and (b) that they knew about all along. Thousands more arriving on boats whilst doing nothing to even remotely deter it. Billions committed to foreign green projects. Bunging £500m at Tata to put people out of work. It's ALL horseshit. All of it. There isn't one solitary decent thing they have done.

If they do something "good" I wiil applaud it. I am all ears.
Click to expand...
Spot on, absolutely spot on.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
scrapped the Rwandan plan, sorted out pay for doctors and trains and ended the strikes - lifeblood of our country.
Stamped out the Farage racist riots.
Starmer working with EU states on a regular basis, discussing migration issue with Italy PM.
GB Energy looking like a great initiative to help tackle climate change but also not relying on foreign investment.
Coming down on water firms which the Tories let pollute our rivers and seas, also coming down on the Covid dodgy contracts and wasted billions.

lots of positives so far in which is very early days.
Click to expand...
Sorry the Rwandan plan is being taken over by the Germans and we are paying not positive.
Sorted the trains and doctors caved in to the unions we all know what happens next when the next union wants a pay rise.Not positive.

Farage far right riots let out criminals who have reoffended i agree the rioters want locking up.

Gb energy is nevef going to work do your research just going to push bills up even more not positive.

I have yet to be convinced on water as my supplier wants to put my bill up £500 a year.

Covid is finished move on.

Winter fuel payments not positive.
Taxing pensions not positive.
Vat on school fees when they are not using state school not positive.

Inheritance tax will be going up why when my wife and i have worked hard to own our own home should my Daughter pay tax on what has been taxed already.

They are tory light with the odd hardline labour policy.

Political system is fucked still at least we will only have them for 5 yrs.

In the debates Sunak told him he would put taxes up and stuff pensioners.The toolmakers son said it was not true and we should watch this space he lied.

Just wait till the budget.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top