The Labour Government

mosssideblue said:
Practically, how would PR pan out when trying to reach consensus in Governemt?
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Its all about compromise and accepting that others have viewpoints different to yours.

The way we are now is pathetic... remember when Labour last left office the Tories continually bleated on about the shit state of the economy and the fact there was no money left, then spent a fortune unpicking everything Labour had done.... and so it will be again. A real genuine avoidable waste of money.

It's better to have the economy travelling consistently in one general direction with maybe the odd change of leader to have overall control.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
My point still stands. They are in charge, they can change things. You can't just blame every bad thing on that last government, only the gullible believe the kind of nonsense spouted by politicians. They all do it, blame the last lot.

They inherited a growing economy, since they took power its stalled, fingers crossed they can get it back growing again. My point is do you think that is the last governments fault?
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What can they change about council tax? Spend more of central funding to give to councils? Close more libraries? Collect bins less regularly? All that's been tried under austerity, and we're reaping the disbenefits now (no youth clubs, more youth crime, etc etc)
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Its all about compromise and accepting that others have viewpoints different to yours.

The way we are now is pathetic... remember when Labour last left office the Tories continually bleated on about the shit state of the economy and the fact there was no money left, then spent a fortune unpicking everything Labour had done.... and so it will be again. A real genuine avoidable waste of money.

It's better to have the economy travelling consistently in one general direction with maybe the odd change of leader to have overall control.
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Didn't really answer my question (which might be my lack of understanding on how PR works). If we have a hybrid house of commons, how is consensus reached when wanting to pass bills?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Nah, but I would blame tham for Wales where you predominantly have Labour Councils funded by a Labour Government for 25 years who were supported by a Labour Government in Westminster for the firs 11 or 12 years.

And trust me, Wales is in shit shape now the Welsh Labour Government supported by Labour in Westminster has closed down the Steel works. I mean who needs home made high quality steel? Just wait until we start trying to replenish our naval fleet...
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And were the Tories going to save the blast furnaces? Are you really trying to blame Labour for copying the Tory decision not to give public money to save the blast furnaces? How much extra tax would you pay to save the Welsh steel industry?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
you're not far from the truth here.

I believe that essential service such as utilities and to a degree communications infrastructure and maybe internal trans port should be run by not for profit organisations... Instead of that THATCHER sold the family silver and truly fucked the country right up.

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Fixed. Everything else stems from that.
 
Vic said:
What can they change about council tax? Spend more of central funding to give to councils? Close more libraries? Collect bins less regularly? All that's been tried under austerity, and we're reaping the disbenefits now (no youth clubs, more youth crime, etc etc)
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There's many things they could do, increase central funding to LAs for a start? But I guess they are choosing not to? Dare I say it just like your favourite political party didn't?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
There's many things they could do, increase central funding to LAs for a start? But I guess they are choosing not to? Dare I say it just like your favourite political party didn't?
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With what money? Do you realise how many billions in central grant councils have lost since 2010? Manchester lost 8.9% of its central grant in 2010/11 alone.
 
Vic said:
With what money? Do you realise how many billions in central grant councils have lost since 2010? Manchester lost 8.9% of its central grant in 2010/11 alone.
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Vic, isn't this the same argument the Tories gave ? Be careful, you are beginning to sound like one ;-)
 
mosssideblue said:
Didn't really answer my question (which might be my lack of understanding on how PR works). If we have a hybrid house of commons, how is consensus reached when wanting to pass bills?
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I'm not sure what you mean by a hybrid, but I think it would be a matter of "they'd have to learn how". The rules would be determined and laid out.

There would very likely be no one party majority, so coalitions would happen. In contrast to the last time we had a coalition, the bigger party wouldn't be able to use and abuse the smaller one as they'd just lose their backing next time around.

Voting patterns would probably change - either to get favoured parties in, or to not let unfavoured in - which may have more people voting as a result. Welsh nationalists might benefit.

It would probably be quite messy, and there would be a huge amount of rewriting of parliamentary practice to be done to make all committees, etc. work.
 
Vic said:
With what money? Do you realise how many billions in central grant councils have lost since 2010? Manchester lost 8.9% of its central grant in 2010/11 alone.
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Difficult decisions...They could have continued to play hardball with Mauritius instead of agreeing £9Bn front loaded for the use of the Chagos islands. Might have upset more than a few at the UN but sometimes you need to make tough decisions. When the US scuppers it, maybe we can give the money to local councils.

Or maybe the Government could (as they are perfect allowed to do) tell the Bank of England to reduce the positively ludicrous rate of quantitative tightening, selling £100Bn in bonds per year at the cost of £24Bn to the treasury. For comparison the European Central bank which represents 27 countries is selling back €180Bn per year. Whilst there is no doubt QT is necessary, there is no need according to most economists to do it at this speed.
Just think of the good that just half of that "black hole sized" £24Bn would do each year and we would still be doing QT at £50Bn per year. This is also within the gift of the incumbent government.
 
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