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Hardly. Never mind the "black hole" - how do you reinstate the same level of central grant without massive tax increases?
Is this the 28billion?? odd black hole that if your a labour supporter is a budget hole, if your a Tory supporter its an arbitary decision?

Lets not for forget that 6 months of economic staganation under the new government will have cost us roughly the same amount £26billion, if the economy would have carried on growing at the same rate 1.1% as in the first 6mths of 2024.

I know growth is a long term plan, but all the talk of growth from the PM and Chancellor masks the fact that we havent had any since they took office. I'm hoping they can turn this around, we all should be, but early signs are not promising.

So to get back to your question, why don't they just raise taxes to fill the LA budgets? Haven't they done that already?

My point is it's not easy being in government. I'm pleased Labour got in, I had had enough of the last lot. But now Labour HAVE to deliver on the economy.
 
Is this the 28billion?? odd black hole that if your a labour supporter is a budget hole, if your a Tory supporter its an arbitary decision?

Lets not for forget that 6 months of economic staganation under the new government will have cost us roughly the same amount £26billion, if the economy would have carried on growing at the same rate 1.1% as in the first 6mths of 2024.

I know growth is a long term plan, but all the talk of growth from the PM and Chancellor masks the fact that we havent had any since they took office. I'm hoping they can turn this around, we all should be, but early signs are not promising.

So to get back to your question, why don't they just raise taxes to fill the LA budgets? Haven't they done that already?

My point is it's not easy being in government. I'm pleased Labour got in, I had had enough of the last lot. But now Labour HAVE to deliver on the economy.
I said never mind the black hole. I meant ignore it.

Consider these lost billions: Councils are getting about half the central funding they were getting in 2010 (a cut of £20bn a year).

"The fall in councils' spending power is largely because of reductions in central government grants. These grants were cut by 40% in real terms between 2009/10 and 2019/20, from £46.5bn to £28.0bn (2023/24 prices). This downward trend was reversed in 2020/21 and 2021/22 as central government made more grant funding available to local government in response to the pressures of the pandemic. Though even including Covid grants, the fall in grant income was still 21% in real terms between 2009/10 and 2021/22; without, the fall was 31%.

"While grants from central government were cut, rates of council tax, set by individual councils, were allowed to increase. Local authorities raised 30% more council tax, in real terms, in 2021/22 compared to 2009/10.

"The Localism Act 2011 – which came into effect in 2012/13 – included a clause that prevented local authorities from raising council tax rates by more than 2% annually without holding a referendum. Theresa May’s government increased this to 3% for 2018/19 and 2019/20. Most recently, the government allowed local authorities to raise this again, to 5%, for authorities with social care responsibilities – with 2% from the social care precept and the remaining 3% for discretionary spending."

From https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/local-government-funding-england

Someone was complaining about Trafford council tax increasing by 7+ % - after the Truss budget sent inflation into double figures.

See also:
Key findings
1. Taking the period 2010–11 to 2024–25 as a whole, councils’ overall core funding is set to be 9% lower in real terms and 18% lower in real terms per person this year than at the start of the 2010s. The reduction is set to be larger for councils serving deprived areas (e.g. 26% per person for the most deprived tenth) than for the less deprived areas (e.g. 11% for the least deprived tenth). This reflects the fact that the funding increases seen since 2019–20 have offset only part of the overall cuts seen in the 2010s, which fell hardest on poorer areas. Average council tax bills are around 2% higher in real terms than in 2010–11, and little changed since 2019–20, with high inflation offsetting high nominal increases over the last few years. This compares with a real-terms increase of over 60% between 1997–98 and 2010–11.

2. During the 2010s, councils’ overall core funding per person fell by 26% in real terms, on average, with higher council tax revenues only partially offsetting a 46% fall in funding from central government. But these cuts affected areas differently: in the most deprived tenth of councils, funding per person fell by 35%, compared with 15% in the least deprived areas. Councils in the North and London were also relatively harder hit. Councils responded by prioritising statutory services: while spending per person on children’s social care rose by 11% in real terms, per-person spending on culture and leisure, housing, planning and development, and transport fell by over 40%. Councils also offset some of these pressures by raising more from sales, fees and charges on service users.

From https://ifs.org.uk/publications/how-have-english-councils-funding-and-spending-changed-2010-2024


And I remember the sinking feeling when I first saw the Graph of Doom:
 
I said never mind the black hole. I meant ignore it.

Consider these lost billions: Councils are getting about half the central funding they were getting in 2010 (a cut of £20bn a year).

"The fall in councils' spending power is largely because of reductions in central government grants. These grants were cut by 40% in real terms between 2009/10 and 2019/20, from £46.5bn to £28.0bn (2023/24 prices). This downward trend was reversed in 2020/21 and 2021/22 as central government made more grant funding available to local government in response to the pressures of the pandemic. Though even including Covid grants, the fall in grant income was still 21% in real terms between 2009/10 and 2021/22; without, the fall was 31%.

"While grants from central government were cut, rates of council tax, set by individual councils, were allowed to increase. Local authorities raised 30% more council tax, in real terms, in 2021/22 compared to 2009/10.

"The Localism Act 2011 – which came into effect in 2012/13 – included a clause that prevented local authorities from raising council tax rates by more than 2% annually without holding a referendum. Theresa May’s government increased this to 3% for 2018/19 and 2019/20. Most recently, the government allowed local authorities to raise this again, to 5%, for authorities with social care responsibilities – with 2% from the social care precept and the remaining 3% for discretionary spending."

From https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/local-government-funding-england

Someone was complaining about Trafford council tax increasing by 7+ % - after the Truss budget sent inflation into double figures.

See also:
Key findings
1. Taking the period 2010–11 to 2024–25 as a whole, councils’ overall core funding is set to be 9% lower in real terms and 18% lower in real terms per person this year than at the start of the 2010s. The reduction is set to be larger for councils serving deprived areas (e.g. 26% per person for the most deprived tenth) than for the less deprived areas (e.g. 11% for the least deprived tenth). This reflects the fact that the funding increases seen since 2019–20 have offset only part of the overall cuts seen in the 2010s, which fell hardest on poorer areas. Average council tax bills are around 2% higher in real terms than in 2010–11, and little changed since 2019–20, with high inflation offsetting high nominal increases over the last few years. This compares with a real-terms increase of over 60% between 1997–98 and 2010–11.

2. During the 2010s, councils’ overall core funding per person fell by 26% in real terms, on average, with higher council tax revenues only partially offsetting a 46% fall in funding from central government. But these cuts affected areas differently: in the most deprived tenth of councils, funding per person fell by 35%, compared with 15% in the least deprived areas. Councils in the North and London were also relatively harder hit. Councils responded by prioritising statutory services: while spending per person on children’s social care rose by 11% in real terms, per-person spending on culture and leisure, housing, planning and development, and transport fell by over 40%. Councils also offset some of these pressures by raising more from sales, fees and charges on service users.

From https://ifs.org.uk/publications/how-have-english-councils-funding-and-spending-changed-2010-2024


And I remember the sinking feeling when I first saw the Graph of Doom:
Wow that a lot to digest! First off thanks for taking the time to reply. I will have a read in the next day or so and come back to you. Cheers.
 
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Didn't really answer my question (which might be my lack of understanding on how PR works). If we have a hybrid house of commons, how is consensus reached when wanting to pass bills?
That's the exact reason why no other.countries that have PR(a lot) have never been able to make a decision or run a country.

Much better to give out huge majorities to parties without having public consent That's why we do so much better than everyone else.

Our

transport
Infrastructure
Crime rates
Cancer survival rates

And much more are the envy of the world.
 
That's the exact reason why no other.countries that have PR(a lot) have never been able to make a decision or run a country.

Much better to give out huge majorities to parties without having public consent That's why we do so much better than everyone else.

Our

transport
Infrastructure
Crime rates
Cancer survival rates

And much more are the envy of the world.
And no emojis to indicate you are kidding. Well done.
 
That's the exact reason why no other.countries that have PR(a lot) have never been able to make a decision or run a country.

Much better to give out huge majorities to parties without having public consent That's why we do so much better than everyone else.

Our

transport
Infrastructure
Crime rates
Cancer survival rates

And much more are the envy of the world.
So you don’t know either, no problem
 
Red Wall Labour MPs want tougher message on immigration https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0lze0lnd25o

Entirely sensible but it will leave a few on here scrambling as they tell us how it’s the right thing despite being so against it whilst the Tories were in charge and calling anyone in favour a racist gammon.
Well we've already gone from pre election everyone can come and if you say otherwise you're a racist to look Starmer is reducing immigration.
Its gonna be some turnaround from but but looking out of my plane all i could see was green empty fields to but but strain on public services, more people more consumption.
 
I know this is a big Labour forum but even some of you guys can't be happy with the amount they're paying to surrender the Chagos Islands.

All the hardship and poverty people are having to endure (predominantly from Labour areas), all the new hospitals (and appointments) cancelled by Streeting, all the tax rises, council and social security cutbacks just so Starmer and Lammy can give away billions to Mauritius for absolutely no reason.

Did anyone vote for the Labour Party so they could spend vast amounts of money on that?
 
I know this is a big Labour forum but even some of you guys can't be happy with the amount they're paying to surrender the Chagos Islands.

All the hardship and poverty people are having to endure (predominantly from Labour areas), all the new hospitals (and appointments) cancelled by Streeting, all the tax rises, council and social security cutbacks just so Starmer and Lammy can give away billions to Mauritius for absolutely no reason.

Did anyone vote for the Labour Party so they could spend vast amounts of money on that?

Who the fuck in the UK gives to shits about a tiny island in the middle of the Indian ocean. Bore off, bet you didn't know they existed until you read it on a meme from Facebook. Like every other NPC ****.
 
That's the exact reason why no other.countries that have PR(a lot) have never been able to make a decision or run a country.

Much better to give out huge majorities to parties without having public consent That's why we do so much better than everyone else.

Our

transport
Infrastructure
Crime rates
Cancer survival rates

And much more are the envy of the world.
'Transport'?
 
Red Wall Labour MPs want tougher message on immigration https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0lze0lnd25o

Entirely sensible but it will leave a few on here scrambling as they tell us how it’s the right thing despite being so against it whilst the Tories were in charge and calling anyone in favour a racist gammon.
Nowt to do with 'sensible'. All to do with getting votes/power
 
I know this is a big Labour forum but even some of you guys can't be happy with the amount they're paying to surrender the Chagos Islands.

All the hardship and poverty people are having to endure (predominantly from Labour areas), all the new hospitals (and appointments) cancelled by Streeting, all the tax rises, council and social security cutbacks just so Starmer and Lammy can give away billions to Mauritius for absolutely no reason.

Did anyone vote for the Labour Party so they could spend vast amounts of money on that?
What's the deal?
 

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