So answer my question now, which taxes are you prepared to go up and for you to pay if required.Further and faster.... further and faster, just let that hang in the air.
Kendall has been itching to do something like this since her leadership bid back in 2015. Now that the Labour right has control of the party, she's free to do it.
Grown up politics, apparently.
Sorry, no, it's what you do all of the time. The Tories let the roof fall in and it now needs repairing. Answer which taxes you are happy to see rise and, potentially pay yourself.
Sorry, no, it's what you do all of the time. The Tories let the roof fall in and it now needs repairing. Answer which taxes you are happy to see rise and, potentially pay yourself.
So answer my question now, which taxes are you prepared to go up and for you to pay if required.
They’re in disarray.
They come up with some cack-handed welfare ‘reforms’ because Rachel already needs snookers for her sums to add up, and they make such a balls up of it that they’ll never be able to do anything on welfare ever again.
Now they’ll need to raise a ton of tax in October and it’s going to be a complete free for all across the party with everyone piping up on which taxes they want hiked. So they’ll be gunning for Reeves and although Starmer should really just get rid he can’t because that would leave him too exposed. And all within 12 months of getting elected!
Labour's answer seems to rebuilding our roof is leveraging our economy into forever debt to Larry Fink et al.Sorry, no, it's what you do all of the time. The Tories let the roof fall in and it now needs repairing. Answer which taxes you are happy to see rise and, potentially pay yourself.
We all know people that took payments - but were still workingTruss showed how easy it is to crash the economy. i.e it may not matter to the idealists whether those spreadsheet columns add up but in the real world that is all that matters. Starmer and Reeves have the same problem, how to enact meaningful change whilst keeping those spreadsheet columns adding up. If they do not add up then the market crashes and everyone suffers. There are no easy choices or easy solutions for any government.
On Sunak, I was working from home at the time (retired now) and had the radio on whilst working. There were grown men and women coming on and crying live on air. Sunak, a spreadsheet type if ever there was one, to his eternal credit, stepped up to the plate and provided the much needed help. Remember the poll tax, virtually all those that did not pay their fair share got away with it. It was too expensive and time consuming to pursue the culprits. That, I think, is the reason the fucking traitors (the country was in great need and we should have all pulled together) who abused the various Covid schemes are allowed to get away with it. The people to blame are those who did the stealing not the government who, if it was that simple, would surely just call all the robbed money back at the time/today/tommorrow?
I know this for absolute certainty.
Had this been a Tory bill not one of them would have supported it, not one!
Fair play to you and a few others who still have their dignity and principles intact.
There’s a few reform voters on here sticking the boot in on Labour , like they give a fuck about protecting disability payments and welfare.
Perfect summary!They’re in disarray.
They come up with some cack-handed welfare ‘reforms’ because Rachel already needs snookers for her sums to add up, and they make such a balls up of it that they’ll never be able to do anything on welfare ever again.
Now they’ll need to raise a ton of tax in October and it’s going to be a complete free for all across the party with everyone piping up on which taxes they want hiked. So they’ll be gunning for Reeves and although Starmer should really just get rid he can’t because that would leave him too exposed. And all within 12 months of getting elected!
There’s a few reform voters on here sticking the boot in on Labour , like they give a fuck about protecting disability payments and welfare.
What a great idea. I wonder why no-one thought of it previously? And amazing they aren't paying anything already.So you repair it with money from those who can't afford to lose it? Tax the fucking rich, not the poor!
If there was a GE tomorrow mate, Reform would romp it. Labour supporters just have to pray that changes by 2029.I think the everyday voter hates the tories more than they like Labour - so ultimately whatever voting base there is left it's salvageable. With a gun to people's heads, 2 choices they'd vote labour tomorrow - never again conservative.
I agree with you. But to put it into context I asked this earlier regarding who pays the inevitable increased taxes to pay for a spiralling welfare bill and maintian public services:So you repair it with money from those who can't afford to lose it? Tax the fucking rich, not the poor!
See above ;-) zero chance of my suggestion happening though. Reeves - if around by then - will go for IHT I reckon. And perhaps also pension tax relief.I agree with you. But to put it into context I asked this earlier regarding who pays the inevitable increased taxes to pay for a spiralling welfare bill and maintian public services:
"Not the poor, nor the very rich, nor middle earners, not business, not VAT, employees NI or income tax, not rich pensioners, not rich farmers et al?"
All of the above groups are apparently not touchable for various reasons.
None of the usual suspects on here have come forward to offer any suggestions on what they or others should be doing to pay for it all.
What a great idea. I wonder why no-one thought of it previously? And amazing they aren't paying anything already.
BTW, have you heard of the Laffer Curve?
For the very rich, paying taxes is pretty much optional. Tax them too much and they just rearrange their affairs so as not to pay it. Or they emigrate as they are doing, in droves. You cannot just keep squeezing them further and further and expect to generate more tax revenues.
I'm afraid what this country needs now is an increase to the basic rate of income tax, with an uplift in the personal allowance so that the people on the bottom end of the pay scale, are not subject to hardship.
But a 20% basic rate in this climate, is not enough to pay for the services we need. Average pay is £37k I discovered recently, so 2 parents both on average pay can earn £74k and only pay 20% tax on £50k of it (£74k minus 2x personal allowance if £12,500). It's not enough. I'm a big advocate of lower taxes but from where we are now, I see no other option.
(And I say this as someone who no longer pays the top rate, so any increase to that would suit me personally just fine. But it wouldn't help.)
Maybe, but that's long term stuff and she needs it quicker than that.See above ;-) zero chance of my suggestion happening though. Reeves - if around by then - will go for IHT I reckon. And perhaps also pension tax relief.
What a great idea. I wonder why no-one thought of it previously? And amazing they aren't paying anything already.
BTW, have you heard of the Laffer Curve?
For the very rich, paying taxes is pretty much optional. Tax them too much and they just rearrange their affairs so as not to pay it. Or they emigrate as they are doing, in droves. You cannot just keep squeezing them further and further and expect to generate more tax revenues.
I'm afraid what this country needs now is an increase to the basic rate of income tax, with an uplift in the personal allowance so that the people on the bottom end of the pay scale, are not subject to hardship.
But a 20% basic rate in this climate, is not enough to pay for the services we need. Average pay is £37k I discovered recently, so 2 parents both on average pay can earn £74k and only pay 20% tax on £50k of it (£74k minus 2x personal allowance if £12,500). It's not enough. I'm a big advocate of lower taxes but from where we are now, I see no other option.
(And I say this as someone who no longer pays the top rate, so any increase to that would suit me personally just fine. But it wouldn't help.)