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Brewster's millions said:
When Reeves stands up at the Budget and announces a series of tax hikes - after saying that she’s fixed the foundations and they wouldn’t be raising taxes again - what do you think the public will be thinking?

Here’s a competent Chancellor who know’s what she’s doing and is in full control, or why is she still in a job when she clearly doesn’t know what she’s doing, and here she is back again asking for more taxes?

Will people still be thinking about Liz Truss? A few might, but Reeves will be the one putting their taxes up and unless things change dramatically then the shit’s going to keep on sticking to her. Perhaps that’s why Labour are performing so horrendously in the polls.
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I'm not sure Reeves can put taxes up. She could try "we've discovered the Tory black hole was worse than we thought", but the public didn't believe her the first time no matter how many times the liars (her and Starmer) repeated it. So she'd have to own it and say "sorry I fucked up but I'm going to have to put your taxes up". That won't wash either.

So they will have to sack her first and then get some other stool pigeon to do it.
 
Brewster's millions said:
When Reeves stands up at the Budget and announces a series of tax hikes - after saying that she’s fixed the foundations and they wouldn’t be raising taxes again - what do you think the public will be thinking?

Here’s a competent Chancellor who know’s what she’s doing and is in full control, or why is she still in a job when she clearly doesn’t know what she’s doing, and here she is back again asking for more taxes?

Will people still be thinking about Liz Truss? A few might, but Reeves will be the one putting their taxes up and unless things change dramatically then the shit’s going to keep on sticking to her. Perhaps that’s why Labour are performing so horrendously in the polls.
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It would all depend on what taxes and whom they affect - I'd say windfall taxes or higher rate tax on earnings over say £250k would go down well. Thats the top 1% of earners - if you are on say £252k pa you are not a billionaire and you aren't running away to Dubai before you try that one.
 
bluethrunthru said:
It would all depend on what taxes and whom they affect - I'd say windfall taxes or higher rate tax on earnings over say £250k would go down well. Thats the top 1% of earners - if you are on say £252k pa you are not a billionaire and you aren't running away to Dubai before you try that one.
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That doesn't raise any tax though. And I think you'd be surprised how mobile people are. I'm retired now but I worked in IT for 40 years and could have chosen to move pretty much anywhere I liked. I've had mates move (while working) to Dubai, the US, Australia, France, Spain... All over the place. And none of us are billionaires.
 
blueinsa said:
Stop being such a fan boy of Tories with red rosettes then.
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I’m not idelogical, I’m not a socialist, I’m not right wing , happy to be classed as liberal - but i find Labour trying to not appease any ‘side’ and just try and do what’s best for the country- it’s a impossible ask especially considering what they've had to inherit , they’ve made mistakes but I don’t think any party can do better.
 
Postman Pep said:
Not sure getting a gaggle of MP's to immediately jump ship is much of indicator, at least in the short term. There will be no photoshoots in Nando's.

On a serious note they will not gain much traction without serious funding. Be interesting to see if there is any union backing.
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It's probably an indicator that right now that it's not the big split that a lot of people were arguing for. Unless she's jumped the gun, and there's more to it, it's not much more than what exists at the moment. I'd be surprised if any unions with serious money would back them.

One thing the right have is a lot of rich self-important idiots with money to back their vanity parties.
 
bluethrunthru said:
It would all depend on what taxes and whom they affect - I'd say windfall taxes or higher rate tax on earnings over say £250k would go down well. Thats the top 1% of earners - if you are on say £252k pa you are not a billionaire and you aren't running away to Dubai before you try that one.
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Targeting people on over £250k wouldn’t raise enough money for them - putting an extra penny on the 45% rate (earnings above 125k) only brings in an extra £145m a year, so at 250k any additional revenue would be very small indeed.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Targeting people on over £250k wouldn’t raise enough money for them - putting an extra penny on the 45% rate (earnings above 125k) only brings in an extra £145m a year, so at 250k any additional revenue would be very small indeed.
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They were just examples of tax hikes that wouldn't be unpopular - I didn't say they were the magic bullet
 
Chippy_boy said:
That doesn't raise any tax though. And I think you'd be surprised how mobile people are. I'm retired now but I worked in IT for 40 years and could have chosen to move pretty much anywhere I liked. I've had mates move (while working) to Dubai, the US, Australia, France, Spain... All over the place. And none of us are billionaires.
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Pretty sure France, Spain and Italy have a wealth tax - would they take their wealth with them nowadays
 
bluethrunthru said:
They were just examples of tax hikes that wouldn't be unpopular - I didn't say they were the magic bullet
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I didn’t assume that you were suggesting that - but it does highlight how difficult it is now to raise serious money without doing something unpopular with a big section of the population.

All the easy ways of raising revenue have been done already, and they can’t clobber businesses again.
 
bluethrunthru said:
It would all depend on what taxes and whom they affect - I'd say windfall taxes or higher rate tax on earnings over say £250k would go down well. Thats the top 1% of earners - if you are on say £252k pa you are not a billionaire and you aren't running away to Dubai before you try that one.
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In general everyone needs to pay more unfortunately if you want better services and protection for the most vulnerable.. The Scottish have a different tax rate which has a lower introductory rate to protect the lower paid but its more graduated as you move up the income spectrum. This would be s step in the right direction.

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So it begins. A sitting Labour MP who racially abused a journalist and had a sexual harassment case upheld against him has spoken.
 
bluethrunthru said:
so its a chain of grocery stores or a local free bus service. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck but isn't a duck?
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You cannot vote for ducks.

Likewise Advance UK cannot split the right wing vote if they don't field any candidates and you cannot vote for them, can they.

So no, it's not a duck.
 
bluethrunthru said:
It would all depend on what taxes and whom they affect - I'd say windfall taxes or higher rate tax on earnings over say £250k would go down well. Thats the top 1% of earners - if you are on say £252k pa you are not a billionaire and you aren't running away to Dubai before you try that one.
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Who will you know on doors for next GE? Corbyn’s new party or Starmer’s Labour?
 
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