The Labour Government

mancityvstoke said:
Not reform though
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Sadly, due to the quality of the opposition they might be the likely or only people that will be able to keep Labour and Conservatives out of office.

Which do we/you prefer? Labour? Conservatives? Reform?

The big two really do need a good kicking and this might be the best or only way to deliver it to them.... I really cannot face the next four years of Labour, let alone a further five years of Conservatives.

The Conservatives will spend £xbn undoing the mess that they will inherit from Labour... it really is frightening.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Sadly, due to the quality of the opposition they might be the likely or only people that will be able to keep Labour and Conservatives out of office.

Which do we/you prefer? Labour? Conservatives? Reform?

The big two really do need a good kicking and this might be the best or only way to deliver it to them.... I really cannot face the next four years of Labour, let alone a further five years of Conservatives.

The Conservatives will spend £xbn undoing the mess that they will inherit from Labour... it really is frightening.
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It's a mess mate.......I hate foliticians.
 
hilts said:
His sales pitch for that particularly balanced and truthful poster was highly amusing.
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And correct. I note that no one refuted my observation. As a reminder, the practice of whataboutery involves the use of counter accusations against initial accusations.

If the minister in question refused to resign and the defence for this refusal was ‘what about Tory ministers who didn’t resign’ that indeed would be whataboutery, but as she did resign and the poster acknowledged she was right to resign then the charge of whataboutery is a false one.
 
BobKowalski said:
And correct. I note that no one refuted my observation. As a reminder, the practice of whataboutery involves the use of counter accusations against initial accusations.

If the minister in question refused to resign and the defence for this refusal was ‘what about Tory ministers who didn’t resign’ that indeed would be whataboutery, but as she did resign and the poster acknowledged she was right to resign then the charge of whataboutery is a false one.
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It's very easy to comment on the situation without bringing the Tories up at all or one of their supporters. There always is a but or after comment like someone doesn't quite have the moral fortitude to fully commit to just saying something completely on topic without a yeah but bollocks.

Imagine if we all went into the reform thread on a regular basis(God forbid) and replied with a counter tweet to the forum loons constant obsession. But here's a tweet from a daft Labour bloke or a daft green. Imagine every post was replied with yeah but other posters.

I said after the election posters would just completely flip the way they post to support their side. The Tories and their supporters at the moment are of no relevance. I personally don't care what they or their posters said in the past. The nation spoke and they got hammered.

Anyhow carry on with the pedantry you know what he was doing and so does everyone else.
 
Hertzblue said:
I don't make them, it's an OBR graph so it was a decent source. The debate was the notion that are all our ills are due to the last 14 years, my point is that is not the case , go back to 1997 for the start of it. There was no invitation to start going on about anything before that . What can I do ?
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Sorry I didn't realize I needed to be invited to comment on your graph on this public forum.
 
hilts said:
It's very easy to comment on the situation without bringing the Tories up at all or one of their supporters. There always is a but or after comment like someone doesn't quite have the moral fortitude to fully commit to just saying something completely on topic without a yeah but bollocks.

Imagine if we all went into the reform thread on a regular basis(God forbid) and replied with a counter tweet to the forum loons constant obsession. But here's a tweet from a daft Labour bloke or a daft green. Imagine every post was replied with yeah but other posters.

I said after the election posters would just completely flip the way they post to support their side. The Tories and their supporters at the moment are of no relevance. I personally don't care what they or their posters said in the past. The nation spoke and they got hammered.

Anyhow carry on with the pedantry you know what he was doing and so does everyone else.
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A long way to say that I was right, but I’ll accept it.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Sadly, due to the quality of the opposition they might be the likely or only people that will be able to keep Labour and Conservatives out of office.

Which do we/you prefer? Labour? Conservatives? Reform?

The big two really do need a good kicking and this might be the best or only way to deliver it to them.... I really cannot face the next four years of Labour, let alone a further five years of Conservatives.

The Conservatives will spend £xbn undoing the mess that they will inherit from Labour... it really is frightening.
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I'm 33 and been a Labour voter all my life. I am so completely and utterly disappointed in this Labour government, having been quite optimistic before the election. I looked past a lot of things I didn't love about them & Starmer because I desperately wanted the conservatives out of power after they'd taken the country backwards for my entire adult life, and because I thought they needed to make themselves a party a lot of ex-conservatives could vote for in order to get elected and change things.

I wonder how many people in my age demographic are feeling similar, and how many of us will vote for Labour because it's better than the alternative, and how many will simply disengage and not vote at all or be seduced by polulist reform as an anti-establishment party.

It is still early days in the term, and they've got loads of time and opportunities to win my enthusiasm back, but it's not looking good, and I'm expecting rock bottom turnout at the next GE and a minority government.
 
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