The Labour Party

Ban-jani

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We have a general Conservative Party thread in the forum but I can’t see a Labour one.

I never know to stick things in the JC thread or Independent with what’s going on currently.

I did come on to talk about Williamson being suspended by the party today.
 
Startling that a thread on Williamson's suspension has been up for 2 hours without a single comment. Sad that antisemitism in Labour has become so un-newsworthy.
 
Antisemitism in Labour is taken for granted. The Labour Party has been taken over by the extreme left led by Corbyn and the Tories have been taken over by the extreme right led by Rees-Mogg. The result is that neither of the main parties represent ordinary decent people.
 
Antisemitism in Labour is taken for granted. The Labour Party has been taken over by the extreme left led by Corbyn and the Tories have been taken over by the extreme right led by Rees-Mogg. The result is that neither of the main parties represent ordinary decent people.
I'm sorry but ordinsry decent people have voted for parties that have introduced tuition fees, Inflicted austerity invaded Iraq, Libya and so on. In short extreme governments.
 
I'm sorry but ordinsry decent people have voted for parties that have introduced tuition fees, Inflicted austerity invaded Iraq, Libya and so on. In short extreme governments.
What a bizarre collection of "extreme" policies. Tuition fees are charged by most of the world's major economies, and trying to balance the books by reducing spending and increasing taxation is hardly the work of evil dictators.
 
What a bizarre collection of "extreme" policies. Tuition fees are charged by most of the world's major economies, and trying to balance the books by reducing spending and increasing taxation is hardly the work of evil dictators.
The left always use wildly hyperbolic language when describing western economic policy, tuition fees are now an unfortunate
fact of life in this country, due to Blairs ludicrous promise of 50% of students attending university. In the past it was only around
5%, a more realistic figure, reflective of the population at large. Then, we actually, and rightly, gave them grants and education was free,
now that's just not feasible.
Balancing books has always received the same hysterical 'heartless bastards' response whenever moves are made to effect it.
 
The Labour party, by trying to appease everyone, is doomed.
Take the situation at the school in Birmingham for example. Labour have banged the drum for the rights of Muslims to be able to practice their faith and any criticism is now legally defined as islamaphobic.
They've also been the champions of the LGBT message, even going as far as employing Munroe bergdorf as an advisor.
However, the schools that are populated by majority Muslims want nothing to do with LGBT rights and feel that not only should their children just be taught English,maths and science, it's also completely at odds with their Islamic laws and theology. So Andrew Moffat (the teacher who goes around schools telling girls it's ok to be a boy and vice versa) has received threats and personal abuse from parents.
So which side of the argument will the likes of Corbyn, Abbott and thornberry back? Up until now, they've decided to take the cowardly road and not get involved or make a comment. They can't do this indefinitely though and they know it.
Much as they''d like to kid people that they can represent all minority views, there comes a point where different groups vehemently oppose each other.
They usually trot out the lines"we need to have a debate...........we need to listen to all sides......... there has to be a frank discussion etc etc..." What they mean is inaction and hope it goes away.
 
The Labour party, by trying to appease everyone, is doomed.
Take the situation at the school in Birmingham for example. Labour have banged the drum for the rights of Muslims to be able to practice their faith and any criticism is now legally defined as islamaphobic.
They've also been the champions of the LGBT message, even going as far as employing Munroe bergdorf as an advisor.
However, the schools that are populated by majority Muslims want nothing to do with LGBT rights and feel that not only should their children just be taught English,maths and science, it's also completely at odds with their Islamic laws and theology. So Andrew Moffat (the teacher who goes around schools telling girls it's ok to be a boy and vice versa) has received threats and personal abuse from parents.
So which side of the argument will the likes of Corbyn, Abbott and thornberry back? Up until now, they've decided to take the cowardly road and not get involved or make a comment. They can't do this indefinitely though and they know it.
Much as they''d like to kid people that they can represent all minority views, there comes a point where different groups vehemently oppose each other.
They usually trot out the lines"we need to have a debate...........we need to listen to all sides......... there has to be a frank discussion etc etc..." What they mean is inaction and hope it goes away.

This is actually quite a pertinent post.
I'm not against things like increasing redistributive policies but the courting of the most conservative of religions will clash with their 'woke' social policies.
As both camps are fundamentalists, there'll be fall outs.
 
The Labour party, by trying to appease everyone, is doomed.
Take the situation at the school in Birmingham for example. Labour have banged the drum for the rights of Muslims to be able to practice their faith and any criticism is now legally defined as islamaphobic.
They've also been the champions of the LGBT message, even going as far as employing Munroe bergdorf as an advisor.
However, the schools that are populated by majority Muslims want nothing to do with LGBT rights and feel that not only should their children just be taught English,maths and science, it's also completely at odds with their Islamic laws and theology. So Andrew Moffat (the teacher who goes around schools telling girls it's ok to be a boy and vice versa) has received threats and personal abuse from parents.
So which side of the argument will the likes of Corbyn, Abbott and thornberry back? Up until now, they've decided to take the cowardly road and not get involved or make a comment. They can't do this indefinitely though and they know it.
Much as they''d like to kid people that they can represent all minority views, there comes a point where different groups vehemently oppose each other.
They usually trot out the lines"we need to have a debate...........we need to listen to all sides......... there has to be a frank discussion etc etc..." What they mean is inaction and hope it goes away.

This is actually quite a pertinent post.
I'm not against things like increasing redistributive policies but the courting of the most conservative of religions will clash with their 'woke' social policies.
As both camps are fundamentalists, there'll be fall outs.

Agree - the demographics of some of their safe seats has changed and to an extent they have moved with it. But in doing so they attract the votes of those who may be fundamentally against some of the more progressive principles of the party.
 
Agree - the demographics of some of their safe seats has changed and to an extent they have moved with it. But in doing so they attract the votes of those who may be fundamentally against some of the more progressive principles of the party.
And this has given rise to anti semitism within the party. I don't believe that Corbyn is an anti semite himself. His support for Palestinians and their representatives though was seen as an invite to some reprehensible characters. It's always going to be a risk if you're outspoken on a particular issue or offer support for a particular group. This is why I feel that the party will lose support over time. While they're in opposition, it's easier to be all things to all men(apologies for the sexism).
 

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