The Labour Party

[Deleted member 77198]

This “scum” comment is exactly the sort of thing that switches off people from voting for Labour or voting for anyone full stop as people just switch off from politics. Makes Labour look like they’re not a serious party, they’re just a party for spoilt brat students to vote for, the sort of people who are constantly using juvenile language like “scum” and “gammon”. Petty name calling should be beneath a serious political party.

Grow the fuck up Labour! Maybe then more mature people might start voting for you, as well as the student population and the grown ups who haven’t grown up yet.

 

[ROCKET80]

This “scum” comment is exactly the sort of thing that switches off people from voting for Labour or voting for anyone full stop as people just switch off from politics. Makes Labour look like they’re not a serious party, they’re just a party for spoilt brat students to vote for, the sort of people who are constantly using juvenile language like “scum” and “gammon”. Petty name calling should be beneath a serious political party.

Grow the fuck up Labour! Maybe then more mature people might start voting for you, as well as the student population and the grown ups who haven’t grown up yet.

This is a non serious post.

More mature people? Are you one of these more mature people? This post doesn't suggest it.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

This is a non serious post.

More mature people? Are you one of these more mature people? This post doesn't suggest it.

Yep. "I'm more mature than you na na na "really gives off the vibes of being mature, it's like a teenager bragging about being the first to grow a beard and having a fake ID.

Using a word from the works of arguably the most important author of the Victorian era hardly makes someone immature.

It’s far more important to judge politicians by what they do than what they say, and stuff like graft, expenses abuses and breaking promises are more likely to be the cause of any disaffection with politics than throwing out valid insults.

 

[WNRH]

Yep. "I'm more mature than you na na na "really gives off the vibes of being mature, it's like a teenager bragging about being the first to grow a beard and having a fake ID.

Using a word from the works of arguably the most important author of the Victorian era hardly makes someone immature.

It’s far more important to judge politicians by what they do than what they say, and stuff like graft, expenses abuses and breaking promises are more likely to be the cause of any disaffection with politics than throwing out valid insults.

Honestly the lengths people will go to to justify a pathetic comment. Now we are looking into the origins of the word from nearly 200 years ago as validity for what was said. Unbelievable.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Honestly the lengths people will go to to justify a pathetic comment. Now we are looking into the origins of the word from nearly 200 years ago as validity for what was said. Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. Did Angela Rayner say Gammon? No. Therefore the entire premise of your post is false. You could have just saved yourself the bother and googled.

Turns out, Charles Dickens invented the concept of “gammon” in 1838

Am I dreaming, though?

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[ROCKET80]

Honestly the lengths people will go to to justify a pathetic comment. Now we are looking into the origins of the word from nearly 200 years ago as validity for what was said. Unbelievable.

What part of her comment do you find particularly pathetic and why?

I've said in another post the word is slightly uncouth but hardly requires the overreaction it is receiving. Far worse has been said in the not too recent past from senior politicians on both sides albeit more articulately put.

 

[WNRH]

Unbelievable. Did Angela Rayner say Gammon? No. Therefore the entire premise of your post is false. You could have just saved yourself the bother and googled.

Turns out, Charles Dickens invented the concept of “gammon” in 1838

Am I dreaming, though?

web.archive.org

The word being discussed is “scum” not “gammon”. You’re picking one word out of the post and adding no relevance to the matter which was Angela Rayner using the word “scum”. Whether the word gammon was created in the Victorian era is irrelevant. As PC states it’s use and that of scum has no place in serious politics and does nothing to improve things. It belongs in the playground which coincidently is where we all learn to grow up.

 

[WNRH]

What part of her comment do you find particularly pathetic and why?

I've said in another post the word is slightly uncouth but hardly requires the overreaction it is receiving. Far worse has been said in the not too recent past from senior politicians on both sides albeit more articulately put.

Labelling a whole group scum. Disagree with their policies by all means, show disgust at some of their members conduct currently and over the years definitely but don’t label a whole group by such a horrible word especially when you are in a position of power and responsibility and in desperate need of votes.

No serious politician has never and will never attack their opposition in such a way. It’s Donald Trump style politics but she seems to be defended because she’s from a working class background. I came from a working class background and none of the people I grew up with would ever dream of calling someone scum because we did not agree with their opinions and outlook on life, let alone in the public eye.

It’s irresponsible and does nothing to get the clowns out of office anytime soon. All it does is keep them in power longer as there is no serious opposition.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The word being discussed is “scum” not “gammon”. You’re picking one word out of the post and adding no relevance to the matter which was Angela Rayner using the word “scum”. Whether the word gammon was created in the Victorian era is irrelevant. As PC states it’s use and that of scum has no place in serious politics and does nothing to improve things. It belongs in the playground which coincidently is where we all learn to grow up.

Address this point to the person using gammon first then.

I'm not surprised gammon hits a nerve with some people.

I wasn't talking about how old the word was, I was talking about it's use prominent and critically well regarded author. Just another irrelevant strawman.

Serious people still going on about a four letter word used as an insult to a serial adulterer, compulsive liar and charlatan 48 hours after the event?

Maybe you didn't actually grow up after you left the playground.

 

[ROCKET80]

With respect I think you're being a little oversensitive to a minor derogatory slang word. She could have used contemptible, deplorable...the meaning is the same but would no doubt not have seen the over the top reaction her comment is receiving.

If the word was used during debate in the House, then fair enough as there are standards around any derogatory language being used. Which Raynor has in past been guilty of.

This however was at an event for Labour activists at the Labour conference, a rallying cry to the troops if you like.

The public facing side of politics has forever and will forever be unserious; granted Trump, Boris, Bolsanaro and others have turned it up to eleven in recent years but this from Raynor is not in the same ball park.

Nothing Labour do will oust this lot, Brexit has destroyed the country. The current Boris Government are not fit for purpose and never have been, Labour were always and still are a better option, just that nobody wants to admit it.