The Labour Party

[The perfect fumble]

Starmer is a survivor and knows how to get on and climb the greasy pole. I'm sure he'll be fine.

Whether he'll be fine is immaterial, he can be a leader of the party, or a leader in spite of it, that's the choice he has to make.

 

[urban genie]

Starmer is having a mare over his focus on Covid exit strategy

 

[Rammy Blue]

Starmer is having a mare over his focus on Covid exit strategy

Ha, I’ve never once ventured into the politics thread, but felt the need in order to see whether this had been discussed, and yes you’ve just posted exactly my thoughts.

I’m not into politics in the slightest, but what the fuck is he on about? How on gods earth can you try to get on the governments back about an exit strategy when we’ve not even reached the peak?

Fucking idiot.

 

[blueinsa]

Starmer is having a mare over his focus on Covid exit strategy

He is fixated on exit strategy.

Brexit, covid-19....

 

[Len Rum]

Ha, I’ve never once ventured into the politics thread, but felt the need in order to see whether this had been discussed, and yes you’ve just posted exactly my thoughts.
I’m not into politics in the slightest, but what the fuck is he on about? How on gods earth can you try to get on the governments back about an exit strategy when we’ve not even reached the peak?
Fucking idiot.

Yet the Govt. are leaking to the FT about their exit plans.
Point is because they've done fcuk all testing it's difficult to formulate a detailed strategy.
That's what Starmer could be trying to expose.

 

[whp.blue]

Starmer is having a mare over his focus on Covid exit strategy

He is struggling to make himself relevant and has picked this as his vehicle, however he is about as relevant as the leader of the Green Party do to the size of the Tory Majority.

 

[Ban-jani]

Starmer is having a mare over his focus on Covid exit strategy

Totally disagree.

It’s our most important future move.

Fuck it up and we’re at square one again.

 

[urban genie]

Totally disagree.

It’s our most important future move.

Fuck it up and we’re at square one again.

We do but we are nowhere near knkwing what would be and he needs to address the ineptitude we are seeing presently.

Any pre-emtively announced exit plan before we are ready could leave the public confused and slowly breaking the lockdown rules.

On this I actually think the government is right to not announce it yet untol it is needed and necessary.

Naive to concentrate on the one issue when more pressing covid ones are happening.

 

[Ban-jani]

We do but we are nowhere near knkwing what would be and he needs to address the ineptitude we are seeing presently.

Any pre-emtively announced exit plan before we are ready could leave the public confused and slowly breaking the lockdown rules.

On this I actually think the government is right to not announce it yet untol it is needed and necessary.

Naive to concentrate on the one issue when more pressing covid ones are happening.

It could just be 3 weeks away.

He is addressing other issues, he’s focusing on this one as a priority because it’s the most important.

 

[hilts]

It could just be 3 weeks away.

He is addressing other issues, he’s focusing on this one as a priority because it’s the most important.

You must see that openly talking about an exit strategy even if it is only 3 weeks away is fuckwittery. The great British public shouldn’t be given much notice if any certainly not 3 weeks and that in itself is a presumption. Starmer has just been put in charge of a pretty hopeless political party and feels the need to say something. He should have fought that urge. He should be urging the government, in a non combative way, to focus on the safety of the most vulnerable at this time. Not a good start.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You must see that openly talking about an exit strategy even if it is only 3 weeks away is fuckwittery. The great British public shouldn’t be given much notice if any certainly not 3 weeks and that in itself is a presumption. Starmer has just been put in charge of a pretty hopeless political party and feels the need to say something. He should have fought that urge. He should be urging the government, in a non combative way, to focus on the safety of the most vulnerable at this time. Not a good start.

Agree, especially as I suspect it's a nine week lock down which we are only being told about three weeks at a time. In fairness the the exit strategy will by necessity need to be a bit last minute as the shape it takes will depend on the course of the epidemic. Starmer would do better to press on the more urgent issues of testing and ppe imho.

 

[urban genie]

Agree, especially as I suspect it's a nine week lock down which we are only being told about three weeks at a time. In fairness the the exit strategy will by necessity need to be a bit last minute as the shape it takes will depend on the course of the epidemic. Starmer would do better to press on the more urgent issues of testing and ppe imho.

Exactly, he should be questioning why we still have failings in the supply issues for hospitals and testing still below targets.

Also why the home office are not clear to the police forces on what lockdown enforcement parameters are for them, with such new rilules and seemingly not direction given there are more and more clips of over zelous or frustrated police being eratic, why so many weeks in is there still confusion on what their stratergy is, Patel is absent and so is starmers new appointment as her shadow who I haven't seen or heard of or his opinion at all in this


I like the new leader to be focusing on what we need to challenge the government on what they do now, now something probanly months down the line

 

[west didsblue]

We do but we are nowhere near knkwing what would be and he needs to address the ineptitude we are seeing presently.

Any pre-emtively announced exit plan before we are ready could leave the public confused and slowly breaking the lockdown rules.

On this I actually think the government is right to not announce it yet untol it is needed and necessary.

Naive to concentrate on the one issue when more pressing covid ones are happening.

What’s wrong with discussing the preconditions to start an exit plan. It’s better to get everyone to agree a plan in advance than waiting to just before it’s implemented. We might not be in the shit we’re in with testing and PPE if we had a robust plan ahead of time.

 

[Ban-jani]

He is also talking about PPE and testing.

It’s possible to discuss more than one thing.

He just understands the importance of having an exit strategy to this whole thing and that’s why he’s pressing them to work on it now, as leaving it until the last minute, making a rash decision, could end up in total disaster.

 

[urban genie]

What’s wrong with discussing the preconditions to start an exit plan. It’s better to get everyone to agree a plan in advance than waiting to just before it’s implemented. We might not be in the shit we’re in with testing and PPE if we had a robust plan ahead of time.

Who is saying don't discuss an exit plan?

There probably is planning going on, and opans for when we start the slow resumption of normality.

What doesn't need doing is any exit plan being revealed until necessary, which starmer is pushing for.

We are findig new things out about his virus as the weeks go on and any strategy is still fluid, to publish one too soon will only cause confusion and could lead to anger if say they said we expect another 3 weeks and then plan x, y , z and that changes.


The government have been handling this badly enough and pushing them on addressing those present concerns should be labours priority, push for an exit plan but it isn't the priority that we hear what it is at this time, or what starmer should be making his inly poin twhen releasing statements or in interviews.

At the moment Burnham, Javis and Anderson have been doing a better job challenging the government

 

[hilts]

What’s wrong with discussing the preconditions to start an exit plan. It’s better to get everyone to agree a plan in advance than waiting to just before it’s implemented. We might not be in the shit we’re in with testing and PPE if we had a robust plan ahead of time.

Any preconditions whatever they may be would have already been discussed, even this particularly useless government will have gone over it quite a lot. What we don’t need is a blithering idiot waffling on to an already stressed out country.

 

[west didsblue]

Any preconditions whatever they may be would have already been discussed, even this particularly useless government will have gone over it quite a lot. What we don’t need is a blithering idiot waffling on to an already stressed out country.

Agreed.
Johnson should stay at Chequers till it’s over.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

He is also talking about PPE and testing.

It’s possible to discuss more than one thing.

He just understands the importance of having an exit strategy to this whole thing and that’s why he’s pressing them to work on it now, as leaving it until the last minute, making a rash decision, could end up in total disaster.

Starmer could probably do a lot worse than just keep his head down. In about a years time with the political and economic effects of covid and brexit combining I think he may be in a decent position to table a confidence vote, get a GE, and turn the tory majority round.

 

[Ban-jani]

Starmer could probably do a lot worse than just keep his head down. In about a years time with the political and economic effects of covid and brexit combining I think he may be in a decent position to table a confidence vote, get a GE, and turn the tory majority round.

We’ve had 5 years of that useless, racist old **** failing to hold the government to account and the last thing we need is another Labour leader not challenging them.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

We’ve had 5 years of that useless, racist old **** failing to hold the government to account and the last thing we need is another Labour leader not challenging them.

I'm not sure it's fair to call John Bercow a racist old ****, and he certainly held their feet to the flames on brexit. The tories are currently left holding a bomb in terms of this and Brexit, rather than heroics Starmer probably just needs to take cover and wait for it to explode. Unless the govt pull off some sort of minor economic miracle between now and next easter I think they are done. Once you strip a tory govt of the cloak of sound financial management you are not left with much else.