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the myth of celtic and their incredible support?
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Do I really need to pull up League cup stats of 30000 crowds at the Etihad? Pictures from google images of the whole top tier being empty.
Celtic Park doesn't have a reputation of being empty, the Etihad does. Why is that?
That's because the fans, media and press in England don't give a fuck about Scottish football. No one ever talks about you down here.
You don't get stick in Scotland because everyone else has empty seats, as you do too.
City have a reputation because it's been peddled and peddled by Utd fans and other bitters as that's all they have. Our stadium isn't anywhere near the most empty on match day in the PL and it's we're one of the biggest crowds in the country. Getting 54k every week isn't just not an issue, it's an achievement.
You have a huge amount of fair weather fans from all over Scotland who will go to the old firm and other big euro nights but go missing a lot of the time for poor league games and cups. We're very locally supported still and tend to struggle when there's a build up of home games.
Yes Celtic make a lot of noise on big occasions but you only have to google some of our big nights to see how loud we can be.
You've never had real struggle like City have and still got sell out crowds. We went down two divisions whilst Utd won the treble and we still sold out 30 odd thousand at Maine road. The only thing you bring us as a problem for crowds is your rivals being shit. Try being shit yourselves as see how many you get. I sure as hell bet your bandwagon fans from Edinburgh and Aberdeen and all around the rest of Scotland fuck off.
jimmygrimblesboots
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2012-2016 was the period Rangers went down
2017 season, they come back up.
Average league attendance 2017;
Celtic - 55,590
Man City -54,242
With our appalling league against some very small teams (Patrick Thistle etc) we are still beating your attendances.
That's not including the Champions League figures (6 games) which 57k+
Let's not make this into an attendance willy waving contest as Celtic are in front ;)
And let's not forget the records held by Celtic in the league and in European competition too ;)
And yep, I wonder if Man City will take 100k fans to a Euro final? Erm, nope.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ay/11/deniscampbell.theobserver?client=safari
Official figures were 80,000 fans but with some sources quoting between 80-100k. Either way, an incredible following where I've yet to witness any other team better (other than Rangers unfortunately but that was only 3hrs down the M6 and abroad so doesn't count ;) ) Man United took 40k to their European Cup final for example. Both Scottish clubs far exceeding that.
Go and get f*cked , we took 250,000 to Bootham Crescent in the 3rd division , you sad jock tw*t
Sorry, I don't believe for a minute Burnley or Bournemouth would have ripped City apart the other night. Regardless, Celtic should have won the game if you go by the on target stats and I would argue that they should have won in the first game too. City were all over the place that night, where's the credit for stopping an invincible in form City team back at Parkhead? So if the best in form team in England at that time struggled to beat Celtic at Celtic Park, what makes you think teams like Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford etc would?
Just look at the 20 teams in the Premiership, there are genuinely just 10 good clubs there and about 7-8 big clubs. Celtic and equally Rangers are bigger than a lot of clubs in the Premiership. English fans always bang on about how good the Premiership is, granted, true for the 7-8 big clubs but who on earth wants to switch on Sky Sports to watch Burnley vs West Brom? 2 mediocre clubs.
Brings me back to the Ajax / PSV thing again, looking at the figures, Celtic are generating more money than their Dutch counterparts do. Ajax and PSV are getting left behind too and will never likely compete competitively in the CL again either. The same logic applies there, are Ajax no longer a big club because they can't better the wages of Stoke City? Come on, there's far more to being a big club than the transfer fees and wages on offer. Wealth is only 1 ingredient of a big club, fans and history make up the other ingredients. Some would say City lost their identity in 2008, let's admit, they were never really a top team, today though, they are.
Dario, no, there isn't a doubt. Let me know when City or any other English club takes 100k+ to a Euro final like Celtic and Rangers did. As to your 45k jibe, already explained quite a few times, 2012-2016 attendances plummeted due to Rangers being demoted. Look at this seasons. When the competition goes and the league is won by Christmas, you're not going to get 60k there on a Wednesday night against Patrick Thistle. Look at the figures up to 2008/9 though, 57-58k averages when City were nowhere near that.
Mad4city, money talks, the 'champions league' is a farce these days, 16 teams directly from the 4 top divisions is going to get tiresome every year. The term Champions League should certainly be scrapped.
You're right, with the financials, teams like Celtic, Ajax, PSV etc will never win the European cup again. However, I do think they all have the potential to compete in the Europa for that trophy. 2nd best I know but it's realistically all they can hope for. Celtic were in the final in 03 and Rangers in 08 so not a million years away.
The only way Celtic and Rangers will ever compete again is with an invitation into England to reap the financial rewards. The only way that would happen would be through Sky TV wanting change. It certainly won't happen in the short term but I'd like to think in my lifetime that will happen. Look at both Swansea and Cardiff for example. Both small clubs in the grand scheme of things and both have played Premiership football, Swansea now for a good few seasons (although looking at the table, this might be their last)
Jimharri, not sure what that article is getting at? There are idiots in every club, I seem to recall a few City idiots waving Union Jacks and Rangers tops at Parkhead. Any crowd trouble was the fault of your club im afraid. Instead of giving a paltry allocation, they should have given a bigger away allocation and then all Celtic fans would have been contained in one area rather than spread throughout the home sections. They must have known 5-6k or so would make the trip so why give them only 3000 tickets? Bad management by your club there.
When the draw was made, Celtic were always aiming for that 3rd spot to be fair. 3 draws and 3 losses in a very tough group wasn't too bad but I'm pretty gutted the Germans popped us to the Europa spot, it was a bad home performance against them that lost us that place. No European football now for Celti****il next July when it all starts again.
Good luck going forward in the last 16.
Just look at the 20 teams in the Premiership, there are genuinely just 10 good clubs there and about 7-8 big clubs. Celtic and equally Rangers are bigger than a lot of clubs in the Premiership. English fans always bang on about how good the Premiership is, granted, true for the 7-8 big clubs but who on earth wants to switch on Sky Sports to watch Burnley vs West Brom? 2 mediocre clubs.
Brings me back to the Ajax / PSV thing again, looking at the figures, Celtic are generating more money than their Dutch counterparts do. Ajax and PSV are getting left behind too and will never likely compete competitively in the CL again either. The same logic applies there, are Ajax no longer a big club because they can't better the wages of Stoke City? Come on, there's far more to being a big club than the transfer fees and wages on offer. Wealth is only 1 ingredient of a big club, fans and history make up the other ingredients. Some would say City lost their identity in 2008, let's admit, they were never really a top team, today though, they are.
Dario, no, there isn't a doubt. Let me know when City or any other English club takes 100k+ to a Euro final like Celtic and Rangers did. As to your 45k jibe, already explained quite a few times, 2012-2016 attendances plummeted due to Rangers being demoted. Look at this seasons. When the competition goes and the league is won by Christmas, you're not going to get 60k there on a Wednesday night against Patrick Thistle. Look at the figures up to 2008/9 though, 57-58k averages when City were nowhere near that.
Mad4city, money talks, the 'champions league' is a farce these days, 16 teams directly from the 4 top divisions is going to get tiresome every year. The term Champions League should certainly be scrapped.
You're right, with the financials, teams like Celtic, Ajax, PSV etc will never win the European cup again. However, I do think they all have the potential to compete in the Europa for that trophy. 2nd best I know but it's realistically all they can hope for. Celtic were in the final in 03 and Rangers in 08 so not a million years away.
The only way Celtic and Rangers will ever compete again is with an invitation into England to reap the financial rewards. The only way that would happen would be through Sky TV wanting change. It certainly won't happen in the short term but I'd like to think in my lifetime that will happen. Look at both Swansea and Cardiff for example. Both small clubs in the grand scheme of things and both have played Premiership football, Swansea now for a good few seasons (although looking at the table, this might be their last)
Jimharri, not sure what that article is getting at? There are idiots in every club, I seem to recall a few City idiots waving Union Jacks and Rangers tops at Parkhead. Any crowd trouble was the fault of your club im afraid. Instead of giving a paltry allocation, they should have given a bigger away allocation and then all Celtic fans would have been contained in one area rather than spread throughout the home sections. They must have known 5-6k or so would make the trip so why give them only 3000 tickets? Bad management by your club there.
When the draw was made, Celtic were always aiming for that 3rd spot to be fair. 3 draws and 3 losses in a very tough group wasn't too bad but I'm pretty gutted the Germans popped us to the Europa spot, it was a bad home performance against them that lost us that place. No European football now for Celti****il next July when it all starts again.
Good luck going forward in the last 16.
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I think Celtic have a great support but it's not surprising, they're with Rangers the two biggest teams, just like Real and Barca monopolising the Spanish fan base, Munich or even the two big Turkish clubs. Who wants to follow Cowdenbeath when you can follow Celtic or Rangers?
In England Liverpool and United have had many glory hunters join their bandwagon too along the years
As for City, Spurs and Everton you can't compare as for years we had/have been in the shadows of our biggest rivals yet still bring in huge crowds, a lot more impressive than a lot of teams around the world.
All this is like is a pissing competition anyway. In Argentina, Poland, Greece and Turkey it blows most fans put the window for atmosphere.
In England Liverpool and United have had many glory hunters join their bandwagon too along the years
As for City, Spurs and Everton you can't compare as for years we had/have been in the shadows of our biggest rivals yet still bring in huge crowds, a lot more impressive than a lot of teams around the world.
All this is like is a pissing competition anyway. In Argentina, Poland, Greece and Turkey it blows most fans put the window for atmosphere.
Sad jock twat?
Dear oh dear, really?
The thread has been pretty well mannered up to now, a little bit of heckling here and there but you've lowered the tone completely with that comment. I won't retaliate and lower it further, not really into the keyboard warrior stuff personally.
But yeah, I'm cringing for you mate.
Dear oh dear, really?
The thread has been pretty well mannered up to now, a little bit of heckling here and there but you've lowered the tone completely with that comment. I won't retaliate and lower it further, not really into the keyboard warrior stuff personally.
But yeah, I'm cringing for you mate.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Not sure that's the case anymore, mate. That said, as you commented, who really gives a fuck?Don't think there's much doubt that Celtic have a larger worldwide fanbase than us.
Sorry, I don't believe for a minute Burnley or Bournemouth would have ripped City apart the other night. Regardless, Celtic should have won the game if you go by the on target stats and I would argue that they should have won in the first game too. City were all over the place that night, where's the credit for stopping an invincible in form City team back at Parkhead? So if the best in form team in England at that time struggled to beat Celtic at Celtic Park, what makes you think teams like Bournemouth, Burnley, Watford etc would?
Just look at the 20 teams in the Premiership, there are genuinely just 10 good clubs there and about 7-8 big clubs. Celtic and equally Rangers are bigger than a lot of clubs in the Premiership. English fans always bang on about how good the Premiership is, granted, true for the 7-8 big clubs but who on earth wants to switch on Sky Sports to watch Burnley vs West Brom? 2 mediocre clubs.
Brings me back to the Ajax / PSV thing again, looking at the figures, Celtic are generating more money than their Dutch counterparts do. Ajax and PSV are getting left behind too and will never likely compete competitively in the CL again either. The same logic applies there, are Ajax no longer a big club because they can't better the wages of Stoke City? Come on, there's far more to being a big club than the transfer fees and wages on offer. Wealth is only 1 ingredient of a big club, fans and history make up the other ingredients. Some would say City lost their identity in 2008, let's admit, they were never really a top team, today though, they are.
Dario, no, there isn't a doubt. Let me know when City or any other English club takes 100k+ to a Euro final like Celtic and Rangers did. As to your 45k jibe, already explained quite a few times, 2012-2016 attendances plummeted due to Rangers being demoted. Look at this seasons. When the competition goes and the league is won by Christmas, you're not going to get 60k there on a Wednesday night against Patrick Thistle. Look at the figures up to 2008/9 though, 57-58k averages when City were nowhere near that.
Mad4city, money talks, the 'champions league' is a farce these days, 16 teams directly from the 4 top divisions is going to get tiresome every year. The term Champions League should certainly be scrapped.
You're right, with the financials, teams like Celtic, Ajax, PSV etc will never win the European cup again. However, I do think they all have the potential to compete in the Europa for that trophy. 2nd best I know but it's realistically all they can hope for. Celtic were in the final in 03 and Rangers in 08 so not a million years away.
The only way Celtic and Rangers will ever compete again is with an invitation into England to reap the financial rewards. The only way that would happen would be through Sky TV wanting change. It certainly won't happen in the short term but I'd like to think in my lifetime that will happen. Look at both Swansea and Cardiff for example. Both small clubs in the grand scheme of things and both have played Premiership football, Swansea now for a good few seasons (although looking at the table, this might be their last)
Jimharri, not sure what that article is getting at? There are idiots in every club, I seem to recall a few City idiots waving Union Jacks and Rangers tops at Parkhead. Any crowd trouble was the fault of your club im afraid. Instead of giving a paltry allocation, they should have given a bigger away allocation and then all Celtic fans would have been contained in one area rather than spread throughout the home sections. They must have known 5-6k or so would make the trip so why give them only 3000 tickets? Bad management by your club there.
When the draw was made, Celtic were always aiming for that 3rd spot to be fair. 3 draws and 3 losses in a very tough group wasn't too bad but I'm pretty gutted the Germans popped us to the Europa spot, it was a bad home performance against them that lost us that place. No European football now for Celti****il next July when it all starts again.
Good luck going forward in the last 16.
look back through the entire history of both clubs you moron. You're nowhere near the majority of our attendances.
Talk about identity when half your support want to be from a different nation.
You're blaming City for your fans celebrating in our end and goading our fans!? You're a complete fucking moron. City fans can blame City for letting your scumbags in but you should look at the twats that support old firm clubs for trouble.
You and your awful brand of sectarian ****s will never be allowed into English football so get that delusion out of your head and go eat a battered chocolate bar.
jimmygrimblesboots
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Sad jock twat?
Dear oh dear, really?
The thread has been pretty well mannered up to now, a little bit of heckling here and there but you've lowered the tone completely with that comment. I won't retaliate and lower it further, not really into the keyboard warrior stuff personally.
But yeah, I'm cringing for you mate.
Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh.
As to the shirt sales, Celtic had a contract with Nike not to divulge the figures, no idea why but doing a quick Google suggests sales are in the several hundreds of thousands and enough for a top 10 spot. A lot of shirt sales are in the U.S where there is a big Celtic/Irish following.
My boy has Barcelona and Real Madrid strips, he's never been to Spain. I wouldn't look too much into Shirt sales anyway, do fans over the age of 25 even buy shirts these days?
Can't believe this thread has turned to 25 pages, sorry guys
My boy has Barcelona and Real Madrid strips, he's never been to Spain. I wouldn't look too much into Shirt sales anyway, do fans over the age of 25 even buy shirts these days?
Can't believe this thread has turned to 25 pages, sorry guys