The New House of Commons Speaker

[The Future’s Blue!]

Kids dying and our politicians are trying to point score and don't even have the self awareness that no one gives a shit about their silly little games.

Fucking embarrassing. Utter wankers

It’s all politics, mate. Israel doesn’t give a fuck about what we or our parliament says, they will do whatever they want to the Palestinian people.

 

[Vic]

What a very strange day. SNP put a motion in to include the ceasefire to try and damage Labour in Scotland. Labour counter that with a few more specifics to the ceasefire and then for the Tories to take it back to a humanitarian pause. Understanding that Labour have turned it against both of them, with many Tories looking to support Labours amendment as it will give them grace with their constituents, they both throw their dummy out and the place turns into a crèche that has gone into meltdown. All the while, Labours motion passes and we have a vote for the British public, which they wanted.

Is that about it, or have I read the room wrongly?

It's probably worth citing the "normal procedure" for an opposition day debate. Essentially the government does a negativing amendment and wins the vote.

"In an exception to the normal rules of debate, the main motion (the opposition motion) is debated and voted on first, rather than any amendment. This is to allow a decision on the opposition motion to be taken first, before any amendment is put. Many opposition motions criticise Government policies and decisions and the Government often tables an amendment to remove most of the text, replacing it with text commending the Government instead. Government amendments are usually carried under majority Governments."

And: "The Government does not table an amendment to every motion, sometimes it simply votes against the motion. Not all motions are critical of the Government, in such cases opposition motions have been agreed without a vote. Amendments can be tabled by other opposition parties. The Speaker selects which amendment, if any, is taken."

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06315/#fullreport

The clerk of the house in saying the Speaker had gone against advice, told him:

a) Your decision is not specifically precluded by any Standing Order;

b) The Speaker and his Deputies have complete discretion regarding the order in which to call Members to speak;

c) The Speaker has discretion over which amendments to select;

d) There have been two occasions in the last 25 years or so when an amendment has been moved by an opposition party Member from a party other than the one to which the day had been allotted (as well as one when a government backbencher moved an amendment) and on one of those occasions, the Official Opposition Member was called to move his amendment before a minister was called — however, in those few circumstances, no Government amendment had been tabled; and

e) You have been motivated by giving the House what you considered to be the widest choice of decisions on alternative propositions, on a subject of immense importance, on which people in and outside the House have the strongest of views.

And there's still a million people on the edge of starvation.

 

[hilts]

It’s all politics, mate. Israel doesn’t give a fuck about what we or our parliament says, they will do whatever they want to the Palestinian people.

I know it's all politics that's the point. Net the Get doesn't give a fuck what our useless politicians think.

I mean three different ways of saying cease fire to be different is laughable, claims of bullying, politicians walking out, procedures not followed, shouting like children, those scenes in parliament embarrass us all.

Do they really think this shit makes anyone more likely to vote for them? They just look exactly like what they are, pathetic snake oil salesman acting like spoilt twats. It's bewildering the lack of self awareness these cunts possess.

 

[Mike N]

Just sums up our country when a complete dick ends up as ‘speaker’.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

today has been a real embarrasment and shown our supposed democracy is unfit for purpose, while lobbyist, donors amd self interest control our parties.

A big fuck off game for them all, none give a fuck about the electorate.

Just the usual posturing we have come to expect. A pointless point-scoring exercise. Our MPs are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. They have zero influence over Middle East politics. They are totally out of touch with the UK public.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I know it's all politics that's the point. Net the Get doesn't give a fuck what our useless politicians think.

I mean three different ways of saying cease fire to be different is laughable, claims of bullying, politicians walking out, procedures not followed, shouting like children, those scenes in parliament embarrass us all.

Do they really think this shit makes anyone more likely to vote for them? They just look exactly like what they are, pathetic snake oil salesman acting like spoilt twats. It's bewildering the lack of self awareness these cunts possess.

Totally agree, mate. What was interesting when I looked into the news tonight was that all the Labour benches were sat their, very relaxed and not making a sound.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

It’s all politics, mate. Israel doesn’t give a fuck about what we or our parliament says, they will do whatever they want to the Palestinian people.

What a waste of a day that was for all our elected and paid for Mp’s. Why are we even debating it? it’s not like it’s binding. It’s just embarrassing watching these idiots. Like you say, as if Israel care what we say. We are a laughing stock currently. A nuclear deterrent that is as likely to blow its own submarine up as do any damage anywhere else and political parties that lurch from one disaster to another. Shambles.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Just sums up our country when a complete dick ends up as ‘speaker’.

It does seem like a massive balls up from him today. The vast majority of people know the vote today was totally irrelevant as whatever outcome would change nothing on the ground. Why mot just stick to normal procedure.

 

[Postman Pep]

It's probably worth citing the "normal procedure" for an opposition day debate. Essentially the government does a negativing amendment and wins the vote.

"In an exception to the normal rules of debate, the main motion (the opposition motion) is debated and voted on first, rather than any amendment. This is to allow a decision on the opposition motion to be taken first, before any amendment is put. Many opposition motions criticise Government policies and decisions and the Government often tables an amendment to remove most of the text, replacing it with text commending the Government instead. Government amendments are usually carried under majority Governments."

And: "The Government does not table an amendment to every motion, sometimes it simply votes against the motion. Not all motions are critical of the Government, in such cases opposition motions have been agreed without a vote. Amendments can be tabled by other opposition parties. The Speaker selects which amendment, if any, is taken."

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06315/#fullreport

The clerk of the house in saying the Speaker had gone against advice, told him:

a) Your decision is not specifically precluded by any Standing Order;

b) The Speaker and his Deputies have complete discretion regarding the order in which to call Members to speak;

c) The Speaker has discretion over which amendments to select;

d) There have been two occasions in the last 25 years or so when an amendment has been moved by an opposition party Member from a party other than the one to which the day had been allotted (as well as one when a government backbencher moved an amendment) and on one of those occasions, the Official Opposition Member was called to move his amendment before a minister was called — however, in those few circumstances, no Government amendment had been tabled; and

e) You have been motivated by giving the House what you considered to be the widest choice of decisions on alternative propositions, on a subject of immense importance, on which people in and outside the House have the strongest of views.

And there's still a million people on the edge of starvation.

Come on Vic ffs. Surely a million people on the edge of starvation suggests an immediate and unconditional ceasefire ... not a word salad and parliamentary shenanigans over 'contentious phrases'?

 

[mexico1970]

What a waste of a day that was for all our elected and paid for Mp’s. Why are we even debating it? it’s not like it’s binding. It’s just embarrassing watching these idiots. Like you say, as if Israel care what we say. We are a laughing stock currently. A nuclear deterrent that is as likely to blow its own submarine up as do any damage anywhere else and political parties that lurch from one disaster to another. Shambles.

We have a shit selection process which ensures a carefully installed set of people who are career politicians first and absolute cowards second. None of these people represent us it's a facade, it needs a big rethink because this merry go round of shit people in the big house needs to stop.

Maybe it's just that most people are cunts these days, who knows.