Excellent.This is very much a "plague on all your houses" type situation for me. The Tory's starting position is shameful (nothing unusual there), the SNP using Palestine as a political football to damage Labour is shameful, Labour doing whatever they've done to influence the speaker (which still isn't clear) is shameful.
But what really hammers it home for me, is where has this passion for orthodoxy been during the 14 years the Conservatives have been ripping up the rulebook at the expense of this country? With their constant making of statements before briefing Parliament, or them passing bullshit unlawful bills that later get struck down by courts. They could have been walking out of Parliament every day about things that will actually matter, but instead they decide to do it on an extremely sensitive issue when the bill being passed will have zero practical impact.
Suddenly, the Tories care about convention. Suddenly, Labour care not for it. Suddenly, the SNP are the ones playing the sort of political games they accuse everybody else of.
The whole thing is ridiculous. The speaker has always been weak, I won't miss him if he resigns.
Depressing.
Hoyles claim that if he didn't change the SNP motion to labours potlsition (lets be honest the tories one was just them pissing about) then there was a real danger of a terrorist attack akin to july 7th bombings is quite poor an excuse.
So effectivelly he has claimed not one Politician or Influentual figure can call Israel out for mass murder and colllective punishment because it is encouraging possible extremism.
Democracy shut down for an imagined threat, the man has overreached his position, still I fear he was forced into it by all 3 partys playing politics and using the situation to point score, he just had to take a side, impartiality was impossible.
The biggest wankers though were the tories, having a strop after all the piss taking they have done in this parliament is pathetic for a standing government
A majority government can just substitute its amendment for the opposition motion. Hoyle offered the House three choices - shocking behaviour!Every year about 20 days are allocatiled and shared by opposition parties where tgry can set the items up for discussion amdnto be voted on if necessary.
It is respectfully observed that on such a day that if the party whose day it is (SNP in this case) bring up a debate and vote, then any amendments from other parties will be rejected by the house and the original motion voted on.
Hoyle ignored usual protocol and effectively chose a labour motion sticking 2 fingers up at the SNP, which is deemed unparliamentary and ungentlemanly.
Tosh. The Labour amendment existed. All Hoyle did was call the Labour amendment rather than the government's.That’s some pretty magical thinking given that the Labour amendment only existed due to Labour forcing the Speaker to break Parliamentary convention.
Widely reported = made upIt was widely reported yesterday that Labour had threatened him with de-selection, and that was from the BBC which, contrary to perceived wisdom in here, is not an extension of the Conservative Party.
The SNP motion was never getting through and it was only the Labour amendment that could beat the Tories, and it did.A majority government can just substitute its amendment for the opposition motion. Hoyle offered the House three choices - shocking behaviour!
Just be like them eh .... but not too much ;-)Excellent.
Johnson - prorogation - lying to the monarch - after that, who cares about "procedures"?