The Peterloo Massacre, 16th August 1819 - 200th Anniversary

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AlexWilliamsGloves said:
We have a situation at the moment over here where a loyalist flute band has marched through Derry last weekend with Parachute Regiment badges on its uniform...they have no affiliation with the Paras. As Eamo mentioned, its the 50th anniversary of the start of the troubles....

...could you imagine a counter "demonstration" to the Peterloo event with people wearing 15th Hussars Cavalry emblems?
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Surprised it hasn't happened tbh, a glorious victory for the tory party, good training for the cavalry; the exact same mindset is alive and well, the armed forces and police ready to be the new hussars... the Beeb ready to show the women and kids attacking the cavalry,( no numbers on uniforms strangely ) the print media no doubt playing to it's audience " it's the 'ussars wot won it" , "attempted coup foiled," "suicide peasants fail to unseat the government" , "substantial immigrant insurgence fails".... Compared to the Corn laws, which starved over a million to death, purely to enhance the land-owners' profits, Peterloo (a pun on st Peter's field, and the "battle" at Waterloo) was intended to thwart democracy by force, though never reported as such by the press barons (no change there then)...
 
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blue44 said:
Not an happy day at all,a day to remember our people of Manchester and Greater Manchester

What they were and what they fought for,I and all my familly will never ever forget.

Go in grace.
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I guess the start of the fight-back against rampant Capitalism isn't a happy day for you and your family. It is for me and mine.
 
Bert Trautmann's Parachute said:
I guess the start of the fight-back against rampant Capitalism isn't a happy day for you and your family. It is for me and mine.
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You got your wired crossed with me mate,i was just saying for me its a terribly sad day ,what happened to normal innocent working men ,women and children all those years ago on that day.

As for the outcome,they started the ball rolling that would eventually lead to universal suffrage,no mean feat.
 
blue44 said:
they started the ball rolling that would eventually lead to universal suffrage,no mean feat.
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Indeed.

While the Reformers at Peterloo probably made things worse for themselves and workers across the country in the short term. The Govt tried to make Reform demonstrations illegal and the vote came down to the people they worked for which actually gave the factory owners more power making working conditions worse.

Long term it sewed the seed for making Reform stronger amongst the population and Manchester Chartism grew from it. In 1838 the Manchester Political Union and the Manchester Universal Suffrage Association were formed.

Working conditions in Manchester drew the attention of social commentators and people like Frederick Engels came to live in the city and investigated it.

On 24th September 1838 there was a huge Reform march at Kersal Moor, similar to Peterloo. This time with no incident. And in 1844 the Govt passed the first Factory Act (the first health and safety act in Britain) which reduced working hours, reduced child labour hours and made machinery safer. And further Factory Acts saw more fair workers rights.

Manchester Liberalism, Trade Unions and the Labour movement all came as a result of Manchester Chartism and Reform. And obviously Engels and Marx wrote The Conditions Of The Working Class and Socialism and Communism was born.

As well as Universal Suffrage coming from all this too.
 
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