The positive and sensible thread

[Champions2012!]

One positive is that demi can't play against barca.

Thank god

 

[Bill]

and me

fuck pearce an ball bringback frank clark or ron saunders

Would that be the same Ron Saunders who won the First Division title and the European Cup and a couple of League Cups AFTER he left City for Aston Villa. Not quite in the same league as Clark,Ball and Pearce. Another manager who wasn't given enough time to build a team.
He would know just how Pellegrini feels after watching City stars underperforming against inferior opposition as he was in charge when we screwed up in the League Cup final against Wolves.

We are going to beat Barcelona, will go through to the next round and no-one will begrudge Pellegrini his hotel bar bill.
CTID

Ron Saunders didn't win the European cup. He'd left by then. Tony Barton had taken over by then and he won it.

 

[sergiosboot]

Good post Kupest agree with most of what you said . . . Just feel that with a good chance of a double in our hands I would have played our strongest side i.e. Kompany , Zabaleta ,Fernandinho , Silva . . . great believer in playing your strongest side available then if you get a couple of goals to the good you can always consider changing it then . . . Silva would undoubtedly have unlocked the Wigan defence on a couple of occasions had he been present in the side from the start

 

[adr2.8i]

i know we have spent 60 trillion pounds but i still feel we are in the early stages of becoming a great big club on the world stage. There's going to be ups and downs along the way, but We have come a very long way in such a short time.

When i started following the City in 1995, i never in a million years thought we would have won a premier league title, an fa cup and a league cup less than 20 years later!!

Whilst i'm as pissed off as anyone else when we lose, a day or so later, when you sit down and reflect on things in a calm and sensible fashion, i get this weird smirk over my face and realize that one day in the not so distant future WE WILL be one of the greatest clubs in the world!

Rome wasn't built in a day, and we are going to have lots of bad days as well as lots of great days, and we must cherish the great days.

And hows this for positivity, City to beat Barca tonight 3-0. £10 win at 80/1.

 

[Blue Elvis]

fuck pearce an ball bringback frank clark or ron saunders

Would that be the same Ron Saunders who won the First Division title and the European Cup and a couple of League Cups AFTER he left City for Aston Villa. Not quite in the same league as Clark,Ball and Pearce. Another manager who wasn't given enough time to build a team.
He would know just how Pellegrini feels after watching City stars underperforming against inferior opposition as he was in charge when we screwed up in the League Cup final against Wolves.

We are going to beat Barcelona, will go through to the next round and no-one will begrudge Pellegrini his hotel bar bill.
CTID

Ron Saunders didn't win the European cup. He'd left by then. Tony Barton had taken over by then and he won it.

I stand corrected, senility catching up with me. Although I always think it's a moot point where Managers change during a cup run. Would Barton have been in a position to win it if Saunders hadn't got Villa to the quarter finals, a step no City Manager has yet achieved (until after tonight !!). My point was that Saunders was a better manager than some give him credit for and certainly was on a different planet to Clark, Ball and Pearce.

I still believe we would have beaten ManUre in the League Cup semi-final if Hughes had still been in charge (despite his limitations) rather than Mancini.
I think the injustice of the OT defeat would have spurred Hughes to get the maximum out of his players and Tevez would not have been substituted.

But then if my uncle ...etc etc...

CTID

 

[lasereyes]

Considering all the doom and gloom around here since Saturday (and I feel it as well), it's worth noting that despite some less-than-perfect performances lately, if our two results against Chelsea had been the other way round things would be quite different. I know this is hypothetical, but it doesn't require us to change any results, or play any differently. If that had happened (and assuming we'd have beaten Villa at home, which in light of the Wigan result seems less of a given, but still...) the top of the Prem would look like this;

1. City played 27, points 63
2. Chelsea played 28, points 60
3. Liverpool played 28, points 59
4. Arsenal played 28, points 59

You're changing results in the two most important games of the season, wiping away Joe Hart/Nastasic's fuck up, assuming we had somehow got a second at Stamford Bridge when we never came close, and somehow got 2 goals at home to Chelsea when they looked much more likely having hit the woodwork 3 times.

Apart from that, you may have a point.

I'm not changing the two league results, I'm switching the home league result for the home FA Cup result - sorry that wasn't clear.

That's not reasonable because we didn't have the same side available for the league game (Fernandinho, Garcia and Nasri all injured). So you would have to switch the fixture list also. But you are also changing the result of our game at Stamford Bridge also, or else City would have 60pts and Chelsea 63pts.

 

[WickyWain]

But you are also changing the result of our game at Stamford Bridge also, or else City would have 60pts and Chelsea 63pts.

If we would have beat them in the league instead of the cup we'd have 3 more points (plus he assumed we would beat Villa instead of playing the cup game against Wigan so that's 3 more) so that makes 63

Chelsea would lose 6 points from beating us in the league and they wouldn't have beat Spurs in the league as they would have had an FA cup quarter final instead.

I think that's where he got the points totals from.

 

[lasereyes]

But you are also changing the result of our game at Stamford Bridge also, or else City would have 60pts and Chelsea 63pts.

If we would have beat them in the league instead of the cup we'd have 3 more points (plus he assumed we would beat Villa instead of playing the cup game against Wigan so that's 3 more) so that makes 63

Chelsea would lose 6 points from beating us in the league and they wouldn't have beat Spurs in the league as they would have had an FA cup quarter final instead.

I think that's where he got the points totals from.

OK, but that's really silly. Firstly, the difference between the league and the Cup result against Chelsea was not pure chance - we had 3 critical players back. But more to the point, once you get into revising history, then anything's possible. If it had snowed heaps at Stamford Bridge for their last 3 home games, then they would be tied on points with us. If Dzeko suddenly had a Clarke Kent-like transformation, we would have beaten Chelsea 10-1 in the league fixture. If my aunt had a Y instead of second X chromosome, she'd be my uncle.

 

[WickyWain]

But you are also changing the result of our game at Stamford Bridge also, or else City would have 60pts and Chelsea 63pts.

If we would have beat them in the league instead of the cup we'd have 3 more points (plus he assumed we would beat Villa instead of playing the cup game against Wigan so that's 3 more) so that makes 63

Chelsea would lose 6 points from beating us in the league and they wouldn't have beat Spurs in the league as they would have had an FA cup quarter final instead.

I think that's where he got the points totals from.

OK, but that's really silly. Firstly, the difference between the league and the Cup result against Chelsea was not pure chance - we had 3 critical players back. But more to the point, once you get into revising history, then anything's possible. If it had snowed heaps at Stamford Bridge for their last 3 home games, then they would be tied on points with us. If Dzeko suddenly had a Clarke Kent-like transformation, we would have beaten Chelsea 10-1 in the league fixture. If my aunt had a Y instead of second X chromosome, she'd be my uncle.

I know mate, I agree with you! I was just explaining where he got the points totals from.

 

[lasereyes]

If we would have beat them in the league instead of the cup we'd have 3 more points (plus he assumed we would beat Villa instead of playing the cup game against Wigan so that's 3 more) so that makes 63

Chelsea would lose 6 points from beating us in the league and they wouldn't have beat Spurs in the league as they would have had an FA cup quarter final instead.

I think that's where he got the points totals from.

OK, but that's really silly. Firstly, the difference between the league and the Cup result against Chelsea was not pure chance - we had 3 critical players back. But more to the point, once you get into revising history, then anything's possible. If it had snowed heaps at Stamford Bridge for their last 3 home games, then they would be tied on points with us. If Dzeko suddenly had a Clarke Kent-like transformation, we would have beaten Chelsea 10-1 in the league fixture. If my aunt had a Y instead of second X chromosome, she'd be my uncle.

I know mate, I agree with you! I was just explaining where he got the points totals from.

Fair enuf, bud. Hopefully after the next few games, we will have re-asserted ourselves and none of us will need any ifs and buts!

 

[kupest]

Spot on today. Happy to see us go out there and give them a game even if that meant we were quite vulnerable at the back. Great effort from all XI and should really pump the team up. Barca edged it over the 2 legs no doubt but we just a player or two and we should be good.

 

[NorCalBlue]

You're changing results in the two most important games of the season, wiping away Joe Hart/Nastasic's fuck up, assuming we had somehow got a second at Stamford Bridge when we never came close, and somehow got 2 goals at home to Chelsea when they looked much more likely having hit the woodwork 3 times.

Apart from that, you may have a point.

I'm not changing the two league results, I'm switching the home league result for the home FA Cup result - sorry that wasn't clear.

That's not reasonable because we didn't have the same side available for the league game (Fernandinho, Garcia and Nasri all injured). So you would have to switch the fixture list also. But you are also changing the result of our game at Stamford Bridge also, or else City would have 60pts and Chelsea 63pts.

I'm not changing the result at Stamford Bridge - if we'd lost to Chelsea in the Cup, they'd have played a game less in the league and we'd have played one more. I am assuming we'd have beaten Villa at home though....

 

[Helmet Cole]

Right. Time to win the games in hand and give the PL a good go and the rags a proper fisting at the swamp.

 

[NorCalBlue]

Right. Time to win the games in hand and give the PL a good go and the rags a proper fisting at the swamp.

Sounds like a plan, now which of our players have the biggest hands...