MillionMilesAway
Well-Known Member
That is a good point.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
The Rise of The Green Party
- Thread starter BobKowalski
- Start date
That is a good point.
Um, yes. 1 in 650+ isn't much, certainly not enough to get any leverage.
The MEP proportion would give them about 25, which is a significant bloc. I'm not saying that it would work exactly like that, but the Greens are like most other 3rd parties - the odd stronghold, but otherwise nowhere.
Why does Lucas get elected? Is it Green politics, a single brilliant individual, annoyance with more traditional parties, or something else?
But here you get into the complexity about the whole subject. When people say PR, what do they mean? AMS? STV? AV? List? And then you can end up with the Israeli system where marginal groups have disproportionate power because they hold the balance. There's no perfect answer, and in things like European elections, there's a big element of protest vote (witness UKIP actually "winning" one of them).
MillionMilesAway
Well-Known Member
But here you get into the complexity about the whole subject. When people say PR, what do they mean? AMS? STV? AV? List? And then you can end up with the Israeli system where marginal groups have disproportionate power because they hold the balance. There's no perfect answer, and in things like European elections, there's a big element of protest vote (witness UKIP actually "winning" one of them).
All true. Particularly the protest part - give people something to protest on, and they will.
Blue Hefner
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 11 Jul 2009
- Messages
- 14,627
Well, the same applied to UKIP a few years ago too.
Then upstepped Farage - different to most MPs, ‘says it like it is’, traded in sound bites and developed peoples fears and prejudices
This increase exposure and support which led to better funding, I’d have thought
Not that easy to do, if you are the Green Party
Then upstepped Farage - different to most MPs, ‘says it like it is’, traded in sound bites and developed peoples fears and prejudices
This increase exposure and support which led to better funding, I’d have thought
Not that easy to do, if you are the Green Party
Indeed, which goes to show the importance of a leader. UKIP also showed the problems of trying to scale up rapidly from a small movement subsequently. But honestly, I can't help but feel the most important thing is to be saying something that chimes with sufficient people initially.
MillionMilesAway
Well-Known Member
Indeed, which goes to show the importance of a leader. UKIP also showed the problems of trying to scale up rapidly from a small movement subsequently. But honestly, I can't help but feel the most important thing is to be saying something that chimes with sufficient people initially.
And which you can get the media behind so more get exposed to it.
And which you can get the media behind so more get exposed to it.
Well, as far as TV appearances are concerned, it's important to note that with the political programmes it is entirely based on previous electoral performance. That's why UKIP were on so often - they'd done so well in European elections.
MillionMilesAway
Well-Known Member
Well, as far as TV appearances are concerned, it's important to note that with the political programmes it is entirely based on previous electoral performance. That's why UKIP were on so often - they'd done so well in European elections.
That's fairly specific to QT, isn't it? To get to that level, you need the news to cover what you're doing, whether it's TV news or papers or anything else.
That's fairly specific to QT, isn't it? To get to that level, you need the news to cover what you're doing, whether it's TV news or papers or anything else.
I don't think so - as I understand it, it's all the political coverage done that way in terms of guests. Not written press of course.
MillionMilesAway
Well-Known Member
I don't think so - as I understand it, it's all the political coverage done that way in terms of guests. Not written press of course.
Could be. I have the impression that less heavyweight shows are less discerning - Good Morning Britain will invite any old chancer on if it gets viewers!