The striker situation

Marvin said:
Bony is half the player Dzeko is

Scores goals for Swansea because they are a a cerative team and he is the sole striker. ichu also scored plenty of goals for them if your remember.

Bony misses loads too as you saw against Spurs. I know a lot of people rate him. I think he's good, but not good enough

Aguero is due back in February, and Dzeko and Joevtic have minor injuries. It would be stupid to buy a striker for the sake of 2-3 weeks as it would take time to bed them in. And by the time they did they'd be in the reserves.

I hope Negredo is Not coming back. I'm not 100% sure the transfer to Valencia is 100% watertight if they don't get in the CL. They are outside at the moment

Dzeko needs quite a few chances top get a goal too, he isn't clinical by any means, but we create enough chances for him to score.

Bony has a better touch than Dzeko as well, but both are very similar and for me are on par with each other.

I think Bony will be too expensive anyway, Swansea could easily demand 30-35m for him if another Premier League club came in, especially with the added January premium.
 
I just suggested Charlie Austin in the other thread. I don't know how expensive he'd be, but he scores when given a good assist from midfield. He'd also help our homegrown quota.

I'd also look into Vargas, the Chilean qpr sub striker who was great against liverpool.
 
chicagoblues said:
Why not David Villa ?Can't we just loan him for a month or so before the start of mls?

He is already on loan to Melbourne.
 
inbetween said:
chicagoblues said:
Why not David Villa ?Can't we just loan him for a month or so before the start of mls?

He is already on loan to Melbourne.

Loan Spell has finished, he signed to play 4 games but was recalled after 4, played all 4 scored twice,
 
sam-caddick said:
Marvin said:
Bony is half the player Dzeko is

Scores goals for Swansea because they are a a cerative team and he is the sole striker. ichu also scored plenty of goals for them if your remember.

Bony misses loads too as you saw against Spurs. I know a lot of people rate him. I think he's good, but not good enough

Aguero is due back in February, and Dzeko and Joevtic have minor injuries. It would be stupid to buy a striker for the sake of 2-3 weeks as it would take time to bed them in. And by the time they did they'd be in the reserves.

I hope Negredo is Not coming back. I'm not 100% sure the transfer to Valencia is 100% watertight if they don't get in the CL. They are outside at the moment

Dzeko needs quite a few chances top get a goal too, he isn't clinical by any means, but we create enough chances for him to score.

Bony has a better touch than Dzeko as well, but both are very similar and for me are on par with each other.

I think Bony will be too expensive anyway, Swansea could easily demand 30-35m for him if another Premier League club came in, especially with the added January premium.
Dzeko does indeed miss a few, and he can be a bit frustrating, but I think we'd find it very difficult to find a striker who gives you the same goal return. Almost impossible in January

We can see how Dzeko, Jovetic and Aguero are recovering when the window opens. If they are on schedule to recover then I'd sit tight ntil the right player becomes available.
 
Marvin said:
sam-caddick said:
Marvin said:
Bony is half the player Dzeko is

Scores goals for Swansea because they are a a cerative team and he is the sole striker. ichu also scored plenty of goals for them if your remember.

Bony misses loads too as you saw against Spurs. I know a lot of people rate him. I think he's good, but not good enough

Aguero is due back in February, and Dzeko and Joevtic have minor injuries. It would be stupid to buy a striker for the sake of 2-3 weeks as it would take time to bed them in. And by the time they did they'd be in the reserves.

I hope Negredo is Not coming back. I'm not 100% sure the transfer to Valencia is 100% watertight if they don't get in the CL. They are outside at the moment

Dzeko needs quite a few chances top get a goal too, he isn't clinical by any means, but we create enough chances for him to score.

Bony has a better touch than Dzeko as well, but both are very similar and for me are on par with each other.

I think Bony will be too expensive anyway, Swansea could easily demand 30-35m for him if another Premier League club came in, especially with the added January premium.
Dzeko does indeed miss a few, and he can be a bit frustrating, but I think we'd find it very difficult to find a striker who gives you the same goal return. Almost impossible in January

We can see how Dzeko, Jovetic and Aguero are recovering when the window opens. If they are on schedule to recover then I'd sit tight ntil the right player becomes available.
Dzeko certainly does miss quite a few chances, but he also seems to get a lot of chances, which I don't believe is any coincidence. If you watch his movement around the box when we're attacking, he waits until the last moment before making his move, then he tries to arrive at the ball ahead of the defender, or he pulls away from his marker into space. Both moves yield a lot of opportunities if you can get the ball into the box.

I think this sort of movement (or lack of it) is why some strikers don't score as many goals as you might expect, even if they look good and seem to be working hard, whereas Dzeko has always scored a lot, despite not looking that good or seeming to work that hard.
 
Whilst it's interesting to speculate on who we might sign in January, there are at least 12 points to play for before then, starting with the match against Palace on Saturday.

Some keen and conscientious moderator merged the thread I started about this question with mainstand's earlier one. My concern is who plays up front given what we've got available now.

Can someone explain the ghost 9 or whatever it's called? Because I think that's what we might be seeing until the middle of January
 
Marvin said:
sam-caddick said:
Marvin said:
Bony is half the player Dzeko is

Scores goals for Swansea because they are a a cerative team and he is the sole striker. ichu also scored plenty of goals for them if your remember.

Bony misses loads too as you saw against Spurs. I know a lot of people rate him. I think he's good, but not good enough

Aguero is due back in February, and Dzeko and Joevtic have minor injuries. It would be stupid to buy a striker for the sake of 2-3 weeks as it would take time to bed them in. And by the time they did they'd be in the reserves.

I hope Negredo is Not coming back. I'm not 100% sure the transfer to Valencia is 100% watertight if they don't get in the CL. They are outside at the moment

Dzeko needs quite a few chances top get a goal too, he isn't clinical by any means, but we create enough chances for him to score.

Bony has a better touch than Dzeko as well, but both are very similar and for me are on par with each other.

I think Bony will be too expensive anyway, Swansea could easily demand 30-35m for him if another Premier League club came in, especially with the added January premium.
Dzeko does indeed miss a few, and he can be a bit frustrating, but I think we'd find it very difficult to find a striker who gives you the same goal return. Almost impossible in January

We can see how Dzeko, Jovetic and Aguero are recovering when the window opens. If they are on schedule to recover then I'd sit tight ntil the right player becomes available.

Since the start of last season, Bony has had a fractionally better conversion rate in the league.
 
mammutly said:
Whilst it's interesting to speculate on who we might sign in January, there are at least 12 points to play for before then, starting with the match against Palace on Saturday.

Some keen and conscientious moderator merged the thread I started about this question with mainstand's earlier one. My concern is who plays up front given what we've got available now.

Can someone explain the ghost 9 or whatever it's called? Because I think that's what we might be seeing until the middle of January

http://thefalse9.com/2013/09/football-tactics-for-beginnersthe-false-9.html#
 
mammutly said:
Whilst it's interesting to speculate on who we might sign in January, there are at least 12 points to play for before then, starting with the match against Palace on Saturday.

Some keen and conscientious moderator merged the thread I started about this question with mainstand's earlier one. My concern is who plays up front given what we've got available now.

Can someone explain the ghost 9 or whatever it's called? Because I think that's what we might be seeing until the middle of January
Google 'the Revie Plan' which we used in the mid-50s (there's a thread somewhere on Bluemoon) and this was used to good effect by City, being based on the great Hungarian team of that time. This was a system based on what was called "A deep lying CF" rather than having a bulldozer in a number 9 shirt which was the traditional way of playing the game until then. Some say that City were the first club to introduce forward thinking tactical planning into the English game although I was far too young to understand or to question that assertion.
 
Ray78 said:
mammutly said:
Whilst it's interesting to speculate on who we might sign in January, there are at least 12 points to play for before then, starting with the match against Palace on Saturday.

Some keen and conscientious moderator merged the thread I started about this question with mainstand's earlier one. My concern is who plays up front given what we've got available now.

Can someone explain the ghost 9 or whatever it's called? Because I think that's what we might be seeing until the middle of January

http://thefalse9.com/2013/09/football-tactics-for-beginnersthe-false-9.html#

Blimey......somebody has discovered The Revie Plan.........Was buried with Les McDowell.
 
I'm no cynic said:
mammutly said:
Whilst it's interesting to speculate on who we might sign in January, there are at least 12 points to play for before then, starting with the match against Palace on Saturday.

Some keen and conscientious moderator merged the thread I started about this question with mainstand's earlier one. My concern is who plays up front given what we've got available now.

Can someone explain the ghost 9 or whatever it's called? Because I think that's what we might be seeing until the middle of January
Google 'the Revie Plan' which we used in the mid-50s (there's a thread somewhere on Bluemoon) and this was used to good effect by City, being based on the great Hungarian team of that time. This was a system based on what was called "A deep lying CF" rather than having a bulldozer in a number 9 shirt which was the traditional way of playing the game until then. Some say that City were the first club to introduce forward thinking tactical planning into the English game although I was far too young to understand or to question that assertion.

This is correct as to the Revie Plan. I'm too young too, but I once read an excellent book that got into that issue - Jonathan Wilson's "Inverting the Pyramid." Worth a read for anyone interested in the history of football tactics.
 
JM7 said:
Its obvious we HAVE to buy/loan a new striker in January. In my opinion, we should look at:
Jay Rodriguez - Relatively young, fast, versitile, can finish and English.
Saido Berahinho: Same reasons as Jay Rod, and both would be eligible to play in the Champions League if needed.
Bony
Lacazette - Young French striker, fast and can finish. In fact his goal scoring record is amongst the best in Europe.
Podolski
Jermaine Defoe (100% on a 5 month loan only).
Balotelli
David Villa
Higuain
Álvaro Morata

I reckon there's more chance we'll play @BoringMilner in nets and Hart up front than the coming of Mad Mario again

(although I've nothing but fond memories of him & wish him the best - ie. I hope he scores bag fulls against Chelsea & the rest)
 
inbetween said:
No need to sign new players and flap. Dzeko will be back in 3 weeks, Aguero in 5-6 and Jovetic 2 weeks or so. I'd understand if we were talking months and therefore half the season but our best striker is back in 6 or so games time with others coming back before then. We also have a very decent run of fixtures to coincide with it so we aren't as bad off as people think.

We only have Palace and West Brom to worry about before at least Jovetic is back. We have won 2 games with Pozo playing at least half the game so I don't see the problem here. If not Pozo, Silva has played the false 9 for Spain and has done very well but I'm more bothered he would get a kicking. I'd just play without a striker, Silva false 9 and Nasri in the middle and our usual setup around that.

Yaya is completely wasted as a striker, far better dominating midfield like he has done recently.

we need a 4th striker, we always did. if we let this window pass us by it will come back to haunt us.
 
de niro said:
inbetween said:
No need to sign new players and flap. Dzeko will be back in 3 weeks, Aguero in 5-6 and Jovetic 2 weeks or so. I'd understand if we were talking months and therefore half the season but our best striker is back in 6 or so games time with others coming back before then. We also have a very decent run of fixtures to coincide with it so we aren't as bad off as people think.

We only have Palace and West Brom to worry about before at least Jovetic is back. We have won 2 games with Pozo playing at least half the game so I don't see the problem here. If not Pozo, Silva has played the false 9 for Spain and has done very well but I'm more bothered he would get a kicking. I'd just play without a striker, Silva false 9 and Nasri in the middle and our usual setup around that.

Yaya is completely wasted as a striker, far better dominating midfield like he has done recently.

we need a 4th striker, we always did. if we let this window pass us by it will come back to haunt us.

Or it wont.
 
billymumphrey said:
de niro said:
inbetween said:
No need to sign new players and flap. Dzeko will be back in 3 weeks, Aguero in 5-6 and Jovetic 2 weeks or so. I'd understand if we were talking months and therefore half the season but our best striker is back in 6 or so games time with others coming back before then. We also have a very decent run of fixtures to coincide with it so we aren't as bad off as people think.

We only have Palace and West Brom to worry about before at least Jovetic is back. We have won 2 games with Pozo playing at least half the game so I don't see the problem here. If not Pozo, Silva has played the false 9 for Spain and has done very well but I'm more bothered he would get a kicking. I'd just play without a striker, Silva false 9 and Nasri in the middle and our usual setup around that.

Yaya is completely wasted as a striker, far better dominating midfield like he has done recently.

we need a 4th striker, we always did. if we let this window pass us by it will come back to haunt us.

Or it wont.

it has already. the beast should have been replaced before we agreed to let him go. now this.
 
I think pelle will use the formation he applied in the last 15 mins of Our last game.

Hart

Zab MDM Mangala Clichy

Fernando

Navas yaya Milner

Nasri Silva
 

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