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Major League Baseball[edit]​

See also: Major League Baseball relocation of 1950s–60s and List of defunct and relocated Major League Baseball teams

• 1902: Original Milwaukee Brewers moved to St. Louis and became the St. Louis Browns.
• 1903: Original Baltimore Orioles moved to New York City and became the Highlanders. The team was renamed the Yankees in 1913. As this situation may be considered a case of the American League dissolving the Baltimore franchise and issuing a new franchise in New York, Yankees history information usually begins in 1903.
• 1953: Boston Braves moved to Milwaukee. This was the first move in 50 years. During those 50 years, there had also been no expansions or contractions – Major League Baseball had consisted of the same 16 teams, 8 in each league, playing in the same 10 cities without interruption for half a century.
• 1954: St. Louis Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Orioles.
• 1955: Philadelphia Athletics moved to Kansas City.
• 1958: Brooklyn Dodgers moved to Los Angeles and the New York Giants moved to San Francisco. These were the first major league teams to be based in the U.S. West Coast; the teams moved simultaneously to facilitate travel for other National League (NL) teams. The NL granted New York City a new expansion franchise, the New York Mets, in 1962.
• 1961: Washington Senators moved to the Twin Cities area and became the Minnesota Twins. Not wishing to alienate Washington, D.C., the American League (AL) granted the city a new expansion franchise, also called the Senators.
• 1966: Milwaukee Braves moved to Atlanta.
• 1968: Kansas City Athletics moved to Oakland. Because Charles O. Finley broke a recently signed lease and public bonds were already issued for the building of what is now known as Kauffman Stadium, Major League Baseball was in danger of anti-trustlegislation from Stuart Symington, U.S. Senator from Missouri. As a result, the AL granted Kansas City a new expansion franchise, the Kansas City Royals, in 1969.
• 1970: Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee and became the Brewers. The AL granted Seattle a new expansion franchise, the Seattle Mariners, in 1977.
• 1972: Washington Senators moved to Arlington and became the Texas Rangers.
• 2005: Montreal Expos moved to Washington, D.C. and became the Washington Nationals. The Expos had split time between Montreal and San Juan, Puerto Rico in 2003 and 2004. This was the first move in 33 years.[3]
• 2020: Toronto Blue Jays temporarily moved to Buffalo, New York, and retained the name. This is due to the COVID-19 pandemic affecting Canada which resulted in the closure of the Canada-United States border, preventing the Blue Jays from playing their home games at the Rogers Centre. It also marked the first time an MLB game was played in Buffalo since the Buffalo Bisons of the Federal League folded in 1915 as well as no games played in Canada since 1968.

Further information: 2020 Toronto Blue Jays season

National Basketball Association[edit]​

Main article: List of relocated National Basketball Association teams

• 1951: Tri-Cities Blackhawks, who played their home games in Moline and Rock Island and Davenport, moved to Milwaukee and became the Hawks.
• 1955: Milwaukee Hawks moved to St. Louis.
• 1957: Fort Wayne Pistons moved to Detroit.
• 1957: Rochester Royals moved to Cincinnati.
• 1960: Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles.
• 1962: Philadelphia Warriors moved to the San Francisco Bay Area and became the San Francisco Warriors, then the Golden State Warriors in 1971.
• 1963: Chicago Zephyrs moved to Baltimore and became the Baltimore Bullets.
• 1963: Syracuse Nationals moved to Philadelphia and became the 76ers.
• 1968: St. Louis Hawks moved to Atlanta and became the Atlanta Hawks.
• 1971: San Diego Rockets moved to Houston and became the Houston Rockets.
• 1972: Cincinnati Royals moved to a new primary home in Kansas City and a secondary home in Omaha, becoming the Kansas City-Omaha Kings (to avoid confusion with the baseball Royals.) The team ceased playing home games in Omaha in 1975.
• 1973: Baltimore Bullets moved to Landover, Maryland, outside Washington, D.C., and were renamed as the Capital Bullets. The team was renamed the Washington Bullets in 1974; in conjunction with the opening of their new arena in downtown D.C., the team was renamed the Washington Wizards in 1997.
• 1978: Buffalo Braves moved to San Diego and became the Clippers.
• 1979: New Orleans Jazz moved to Salt Lake City and become the Utah Jazz.
• 1984: San Diego Clippers moved to Los Angeles and became the Los Angeles Clippers.
• 1985: Kansas City Kings moved to Sacramento and became the Sacramento Kings.
• 2001: Vancouver Grizzlies moved to Memphis and became the Memphis Grizzlies.
  Further information: Vancouver Grizzlies relocation to Memphis
• 2002: Charlotte Hornets moved to New Orleans. The NBA granted Charlotte a new expansion franchise, known as the Bobcats, in 2004. The Bobcats reclaimed the Hornets name before the start of the 2014–15 season.
  • At the same time that the name change to Hornets was announced, it was also revealed that the Hornets, the league, and the franchise now known as the New Orleans Pelicans had reached an agreement that the history of the original Charlotte Hornets would belong exclusively to the current Hornets.[4][5] As a result, the NBA now considers the Charlotte Hornets to have begun play in the 1988–89 season, suspended operations following the 2001–02 season, returned as the Bobcats beginning with the 2004–05 season, and renamed the Hornets beginning with the 2014–15 season, while the New Orleans Pelicans kept their history as the Hornets from moving in 2002.
• 2005: New Orleans Hornets moved temporarily to Oklahoma City following Hurricane Katrinaand became the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets.
  Further information: Effect of Hurricane Katrina on the New Orleans Hornets
• 2007: New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets returned to New Orleans full-time. The team was renamed as the Pelicans in 2013.
• 2008: Seattle SuperSonics moved to Oklahoma City and became the Thunder.
  Further information: Seattle SuperSonics relocation to Oklahoma City
• 2020: Toronto Raptors moved temporarily to Tampa due to the closure of the Canada-United States border stemming from the COVID-19 situation affecting Canada, preventing the Raptors from playing their home games in the Scotiabank Arena.

Further information: 2020–21 Toronto Raptors season

National Football League[edit]​

Main article: National Football League franchise moves and mergers
The history of the NFL fully incorporates that of the fourth American Football League, which began operation in 1960 with eight teams and became by far the most successful rival to the NFL. In 1966, the two leagues agreed to a merger that took full effect in 1970. All teams from the 1960–1969 AFL were brought intact to the NFL, and the current NFL recognizes all AFL records and statistics as its own.

• 1921: Decatur Staleys moved to Chicago and became the Bears one year later.
• 1934: Portsmouth Spartans moved to Detroit and became the Lions.
• 1937: Boston Redskins moved to Washington, D.C.
• 1946: Cleveland Rams moved to Los Angeles.
• 1960: Chicago Cardinals moved to St. Louis.
• 1961: The AFL's Los Angeles Chargers moved to San Diego after spending only their inaugural season in Los Angeles.
• 1963: The AFL Dallas Texans (not to be confused with the short-lived NFL franchise of the same name) moved to Kansas City, Missouri, and became the Kansas City Chiefs.
• 1982: Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles. Although the NFL refused permission for the move, the team won the right to move (as well as the right to remain as a franchise in its conference and in the league) through a court case.
• 1984: Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis and became the Indianapolis Colts. The team's offices were slipped out of Baltimore in the middle of the night to avoid a proposed eminent domain seizure by the state of Maryland.
  Further information: Baltimore Colts relocation to Indianapolis
• 1988: St. Louis Cardinals moved to the Phoenix area, playing games in nearby Tempe and became the Phoenix Cardinals. The team was renamed the Arizona Cardinals in 1994. The team now plays in another Phoenix suburb, Glendale.
• 1995: Los Angeles Raiders moved back to Oakland after 13 seasons.
• 1995: Los Angeles Ramsmoved to St. Louis.
  Further information: History of the National Football League in Los Angeles
• 1996: Cleveland Browns players and coaching staff moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens. The move was one of the most controversial in major professional sports history. In response to a fan revolt and legal threats, the NFL awarded a new franchise to Cleveland in 1999, which for historical purposes is considered a continuation of the original Browns franchise.
  Further information: Cleveland Browns relocation controversy
• 1997: Houston Oilers moved to Memphis and became the Tennessee Oilers. The team originally planned to play the 1997 and 1998 seasons in Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in Memphis before moving to Nashville. However, due to poor attendance, the team moved to Nashville in 1998, playing in Vanderbilt University's stadium. The team was renamed the Titans in 1999, when their new stadium was opened. The NFL granted Houston a new expansion franchise in 2002.
• 2016: St. Louis Rams moved back to Los Angeles after 21 seasons in St. Louis. The team moved to a new stadium in nearby Inglewood in 2020.
• 2017: San Diego Chargers returned to their original home of Los Angeles after 56 seasons in San Diego. The team played in the suburb of Carson before joining the Rams at their new stadium in 2020.
• 2020: Oakland Raiders were approved to move to a new stadium in the Las Vegas area in 2020.[6] The team played in Oakland for the 2018 season and, due to being thwarted in its plans to play in San Francisco by their regional rivals the 49ers, were forced to play in Oakland in 2019 as well before completing the move to Las Vegas in 2020.[7][8]
  Further information: Oakland Raiders relocation to Las Vegas

National Hockey League[edit]​

Main article: List of defunct and relocated National Hockey League teams
Only one NHL team that moved has kept its name: the Calgary Flames.

The Edmonton Oilers nearly moved to Houston in 1998, but the team remained in the city after a limited partnership raised enough money to purchase the franchise before the deadline.[9][10] The then-Phoenix Coyotes were placed into bankruptcy with the intent to circumvent the league's relocation rules, but this was blocked by a judge. Other threats to leave came from two of the 1967 expansion teams, the Pittsburgh Penguins (on multiple occasions) and St. Louis Blues (in 1983), but ultimately stayed in their existing markets.

• 1976: California Golden Seals, who played their home games in Oakland, moved to Cleveland and became the Barons. The Cleveland Barons then merged with the Minnesota North Stars two years later; the San Francisco Bay Area was awarded the San Jose Sharksin 1991 when the owners threatened to move the team from Minnesota, they were allowed to split half the team back to San Jose.
  Further information: 1991 NHL Dispersal and Expansion Drafts
• 1976: Kansas City Scouts moved to Denver and became the Colorado Rockies.
• 1978: The Cleveland Barons franchise merged with the Minnesota North Stars; Ohio was awarded an expansion team in 2000.
  Further information: 1978 NHL Dispersal Draft
• 1980: Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary; Atlanta was awarded an expansion team in 1999, which moved to Winnipeg in 2011.
• 1982: Colorado Rockies moved to East Rutherford and became the New Jersey Devils; 13 years later, Colorado received a relocated team.
• 1993: Minnesota North Stars moved to Dallas and became the Stars; Minnesota was awarded an expansion team in 2000.
• 1995: Quebec Nordiques moved to Denver and became the Colorado Avalanche.
• 1996: Winnipeg Jets moved to Phoenix and became the Phoenix Coyotes. The team changed its geographic name to Arizona prior to the 2014–15 season.
• 1997: Hartford Whalers moved to Raleigh and became the Carolina Hurricanes. For the 1997 and 1998 seasons, they played home games in Greensboro while their intended home, the venue now known as PNC Arena, was under construction in Raleigh.
• 2011: Atlanta Thrashers moved to Winnipeg and became the current version of the Winnipeg Jets.

Major League Soccer[edit]​

• 2006: The San Jose Earthquakes moved to Houston and became the Houston Dynamo; however, the team records, logo, colors, championships, and history were left in San Jose. An option for an MLS franchise was awarded to Oakland Athletics owner Lew Wolff in 2006, and the option was exercised in 2007. The Earthquakes resumed play in MLS in 2008 as a continuation of the previous Earthquakes franchise under new ownership.

Yeah, but apart from those times ;)

 

[dhruvblue]

What happens at 9:30?

White walkers attack winterfell again

 

[MeatHunterrr]

Government now opposing it, hopefully that's the end of this.

Lol, imagine getting banned from the CL twice inside 2 years...

 

[Roberto Manciti]

I'm a traditional City fan and I'm no more keen on this proposal than most other posters on this thread. But the world is changing apace, and there are realities which we must face up to.

The world is 'going digital' at a rapid pace, and Covid lockdowns, match attendance bans and closed borders have only accelerated this trend. The reality is that the largest, most successful clubs will be those which embrace the global fanbase who view their football online. And that doesn't mean just those who live hundreds of miles from the stadium. Just read other threads right here on Bluemoon. How many familiar posters have been writing that they might not return to matchday attendance post-Covid? And they're the ones who can afford to make the choice. As others have pointed out, the age profile of those attending games is rising. Younger fans are used to viewing their entertainment through digital media and are quite at ease with that format. Plus they can't afford match tickets and associated travel costs anyway. So TV coverage and streaming is everything for them. And they are the future.

The largest clubs have no choice but to embrace a business model aimed principally at attracting digital viewers watching matches remotely. Those which do will thrive and remain relevant. The matchgoing fan is fast becoming an afterthought, representing relatively little in the way of income. Indeed, a club might be wise to sell match access at low ticket prices, attracting a younger, more passionate crowd who will enhance the atmosphere for the all-important remote digital audience.

It has seemed inevitable to me that a European Super League has been coming in one form or another. Of course, we fans want a merit-based pyramid and the chance for all clubs to dream, but we'll have no say in that. I just hope that the revised competition - be it administered by UEFA, FIFA, or whoever else, will offer a level playing field rather than preferential payments to clubs boasting "history" (which is so open to interpretation).

Whilst this new structure comes across as objectionable, is it so much worse than the regime currently presided over by UEFA? They have spent a decade trying to stitch up City, and their recent appointment of Tebag to a senior role confirms that there is no sign of reform coming from that quarter. Our choice lies between a competition administered by the Devil or one administered by Satan. Just look at the unsavoury characters named across both structures.

One change which does have to come is the way in which football viewing packages are sold. You can sign up with Sky and / or BT at great expense and get coverage of a handful of City matches - plus a load of peripheral dross which is of limited interest to many. There is a need for a format which allows subscribers to choose a club-based package: ie. live access to ALL MCFC matches for a season in a single payment. This would be more attractive to partisan fans than the present arrangements which don't appeal to a significant proportion of the potential audience. And the clubs will presumably want TV / streaming income to reflect the number of fans choosing their specific package ... which is really little different in principle than those with high-capacity stadia and large fanbases keeping more matchday income than smaller clubs can.

The reality is that the clubs are not equal, and their owners will want rewards commensurate with the reach of their business. We're stuck with that, and evolution is coming one way or another. Threats to ban players / clubs from certain competitions is short-term grandstanding. There is no product left if the best players cannot be viewed by fans, be that in the PL, breakaway league, or World Cup. Remember too that national associations have been getting a free-ride using and abusing elite players at the expense of clubs ... perhaps some rethinking of this arrangement is in order? City's owners cannot afford to be left behind in this evolution. The best we can hope for is that they can be persuaded to stand up for principles of fairness in income distribution and a meritocratic structure on the field of play. The status quo cannot continue, change is inevitable. Our best bet is to defend the core principles of fairness and competition.

So which European format appeals to you? The one run by Tebag and co, or the Glazers & John W Henry spectacular? Tough call.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

Yeah but that won't happen.

Be rational, the big clubs aren't going to abandon the majority of their money and games for what is a CL replacement.

Their aim is binning the CL for their own closed European tournament. If that's not how it shapes up, they'll abandon it.

How much damage will be done in the process though? If this all plays out publically, we'll be reviled even more than we are now. And it will divide the fans too.

 

[Lkzerinho]

I feel as if City are more waiting to see what happens there seems to be information that they aren't fully committed to, while some are saying they are encouraged by it.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Cast your minds back to the change in format to this CL we have now from the KO competition previously. The change came about because the ‘big’ clubs wanted more money and threatened a new European Super League. Sounds familiar??

 

[bluemoon32]

And if you actually had an informed opinion, you’d understand why those happen.

Well your opinion is worth nothing if you think no relegation or promotion is a good thing

 

[ws01]

Government now condemning it, hopefully that's the end of this.

Jeez you're in bad shape if you can't even get the Tories to get on your side in something like this

 

[domalino]

How much damage will be done in the process though? If this all plays out publically, we'll be reviled even more than we are now. And it will divide the fans too.

So no actual damage, just the big 6 being a bit more disliked than they already are.