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The Super League | FA + PL: New Charter & Fines | UEFA: Settlement
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Why do you hate UEFA but support a super league who will be controlled by the very clubs who have been manipulating a weak UEFA for their own ends?
It's a strange position to take, imo.
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Not supporting it but reporting it's going to come , maybe even this Summer. The Court case is unwinnable for UEFA
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UEFA greediness will be the end of them, not a fan of ESL but my hate for UEFA is bigger.
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I am not sure those cases you are quoting mean what you think they mean.
And with all due respect to you, the ISU and the FIBA, there is much more at stake, with much more influential stakeholders, with football than there is with skating and basketball.
I am guessing a compromise will come out of this. UEFA gets to regulate the game and manage tournaments (perfectly legal under the TFEU) as long as it allows other tournaments which must be pre-authorised using certain criteria which are set to the benefit of the game. Doesn't that exist already?
Then we all start again when UEFA turn down a new ESL. Could last forever, this.
Here is analysis in more detail which goes against yours.
Bavarian Legal Works: The Super League strikes back?
The tattered remnants of the Super League sneak into court like thieves in the night and crow on social media while the real battles lie ahead.
www.bavarianfootballworks.com
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Greed? What do you think is driving the ESL? Philanthropy?
i was thinking about the super league format just the other day and thought maybe its not a bad idea after all ?
the same old clubs will be still on the super league board. but i think manchester city being in the precision of one of the best teams in europe we also would demand a major place on the board of the super league.
look the more money the top clubs can make each year they would jump and be all over it in a flash
but i feel SKY sports feared losing the honey pot of subscription based football. the did what anybody else would do and formed a group of numpty's so call fans ? vigilantes. give them all the media support needed to start a war on greedy clubs owners
but the truth is skysports did just that back in 1992 and offered crazy money because of a dish and subscription fees.
sky knew the super league was not involving them but internet based companies blowing them out of the water ?
maybe the super league is not a bad idea but sky have bloody made it 100% wrong because of fear of missing out
i would take sky not backing the break away super league with a pinch of salt. because i feel they are working on something behind the fans back with there new sky Glass tv without a dish and will partner the major internet sites in the near future
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I was reading the Times article on the ECJ case and one of the reasons (two quoted in the article) for the ESL, according to RM, B and J, was that it was the only way to control state-ownership of clubs (or some such words, behind a paywall now).
Any City fan supporting the ESL should know what to expect when the lunatics are running the asylum.
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This expert doesn't seem to have much knowledge and is just speculating.I am not sure those cases you are quoting mean what you think they mean.
And with all due respect to you, the ISU and the FIBA, there is much more at stake, with much more influential stakeholders, with football than there is with skating and basketball.
I am guessing a compromise will come out of this. UEFA gets to regulate the game and manage tournaments (perfectly legal under the TFEU) as long as it allows other tournaments which must be pre-authorised using certain criteria which are set to the benefit of the game. Doesn't that exist already?
Then we all start again when UEFA turn down a new ESL. Could last forever, this.
Here is analysis in more detail which goes against yours.
Bavarian Legal Works: The Super League strikes back?
The tattered remnants of the Super League sneak into court like thieves in the night and crow on social media while the real battles lie ahead.
ESL is not a Cartel. A Cartel is if someone stops a competition to be created. While for us Footballs Fans ESL is a Cartell, they still allow other competition to be created. The Champions League would still exist just without the big Teams. So in Justice Terms , ESL is not a Cartell.
European law, if it respects the European treaties, cannot rule in favor of an unnatural private monopoly. It must promote “free competition”. And this, even if the jurists opposed to the Superleague highlight article 165 of the Treaty of Lisbon acting as a“specificity of sport”
a Sports Lawyer also said they win everything on Court.
European Super League would WIN court case against UEFA says expert
The 12 clubs, from England, Italy and Spain, announced plans on Sunday night to set up a competition to rival UEFA's Champions League and Europa League tournaments.
If u Read the Case in the European Court of Justice Website, it's not only 1 Law that UEFA is breaking, the ESL Company is suing them for 6 Law breaches. What is also surprising that they are suing FIFA alongside UEFA
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Both of them is a form greediness, atleast ESL is honest with their intention while UEFA did not.
The concept of the ESL is not out of touch with the next generation of fans and future of football.
There are so many games which are no longer competitive in top flight football.
The big European games do not happen often enough and yes whilst it does make it more special when it happens, there is certainly benefit in more City v Bayern then City v Burnley.
The CL does not really scratch this itch and is mainly padded with nothing games in groups, where even if a big 2 meet it normally decides first and second so only a minimal gain and no real drama.
From an English perspective, we do have min of 10 big domestic games, more including cups and then CL so we do ok, whereas others it can be 4 or 2.
For this reason it will at some point come in, although I believe the poor implementation and the self sustaining way they went about it has set it back at least 5 years if not more.
There are so many games which are no longer competitive in top flight football.
The big European games do not happen often enough and yes whilst it does make it more special when it happens, there is certainly benefit in more City v Bayern then City v Burnley.
The CL does not really scratch this itch and is mainly padded with nothing games in groups, where even if a big 2 meet it normally decides first and second so only a minimal gain and no real drama.
From an English perspective, we do have min of 10 big domestic games, more including cups and then CL so we do ok, whereas others it can be 4 or 2.
For this reason it will at some point come in, although I believe the poor implementation and the self sustaining way they went about it has set it back at least 5 years if not more.
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:)This expert doesn't seem to have much knowledge and is just speculating.
ESL is not a Cartel. A Cartel is if someone stops a competition to be created. While for us Footballs Fans ESL is a Cartell, they still allow other competition to be created. The Champions League would still exist just without the big Teams. So in Justice Terms , ESL is not a Cartell.
European law, if it respects the European treaties, cannot rule in favor of an unnatural private monopoly. It must promote “free competition”. And this, even if the jurists opposed to the Superleague highlight article 165 of the Treaty of Lisbon acting as a“specificity of sport”
a Sports Lawyer also said they win everything on Court.
European Super League would WIN court case against UEFA says expert
The 12 clubs, from England, Italy and Spain, announced plans on Sunday night to set up a competition to rival UEFA's Champions League and Europa League tournaments.www.dailymail.co.uk
If u Read the Case in the European Court of Justice Website, it's not only 1 Law that UEFA is breaking, the ESL Company is suing them for 6 Law breaches. What is also surprising that they are suing FIFA alongside UEFA
Nothing is that simple, really. Anyway, we will see, I suppose. Personally, I hope the ESL falls flat on its face.
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You may be right, but I would imagine money, and therefore talent, will gravitate towards five or six clubs even in an ESL and so Bayern against Dortmund, say, would be the next City against Burnley. I would have said City against Spurs, but City will be so crippled by the ESL that we are likely to be the new Burnley.
Anyway, that's enough from me on this subject. Court case first, then we can deal with the eternal verities if we have to. :)
It’s inevitable and the best thing for the future of football even though I’m against it.
The timing of it was all wrong we were still in a pandemic and it was during the season.
Plus the concept was wrong. I don’t think it would have had half the uproar if the ESL clubs were saying we’re off for good, instead they got greedy and wanted all the cake, to continue mopping up domestically but stopping anyone from joining the closed shop on the continent.
You also cannot have one of the most hated men in football leading it whilst still leading one of the clubs involved.
To make it work you need 16 clubs to break away fully and for them all to have a 6.25% equal stake in the league and to have a salary cap.
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Thank you for the reply.
I agree with you about FIFA and UEFA.
However the ones that relay want this superleague cannot afford to fight legal challenges for it. They want it, but their business model doesn't work to achieve it
Maybe I'm an old romantic but I appreciate our league structure and cup competitions.
For example. Watching City playing Cheltenham, then Swindon this season.
The matches get me more excited than some league games. Because I'm lucky enough to see our club is part of a structure that allows games like this to occur.
Give me matches like that over playing Real Madrid every other week.
If there’s no possibility of Burnley v Bayern ever happening it stops being proper competition
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It might be the best thing for the clubs in it but it's definitely not the best thing for football.
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people would still get bored with the top teams playing each other every other week.plus there will still be the haves and the have nots just at a different level
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I don't think they would get bored. The NBA , NFL and Superbowl says otherwise.
The kids are bored about Bayern vs Hoffenheim or City vs Burnley. If u don't give them big matches , they will watch Netflix or play a game. They are that spoiled