The terrible truth (which is no longer the truth)

Pam

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My rag colleague told me today that he hates us but until relatively recently, he used to quite like us. I believe him. Not only were we not on their hate radar for literally decades, they were actually wishing us well, some of them. We used to pretend this wasn't true but it was. And how did this happen to the two clubs when we matched themmost of the sixties and seventies and were at least as good as them in that era and sometimes better. The Manchester Derby started playing second fiddle to the rag v dipper fued and is only now recovering it's glamour and importance.

Why were we shit for thirty years with our fan base and history? Honestly, what on earth happened thoroughout the 80's and 90's and the first couple of years of this millenium that turned us into such epic rumours.

Sorry to go on but thoughts on this anyone?
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Peter Swales

But he eventually left and we were still pulling perpetual relegation and promotion shite. In fact, didn't we go into the old third division when Lee was involved or Bernstein had just taken over. I know Swales damaged us but why was it never truly put right until the sheikh came?
 
Pam said:
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Peter Swales

But he eventually left and we were still pulling perpetual relegation and promotion shite. In fact, didn't we go into the old third division when Lee was involved or Bernstein had just taken over. I know Swales damaged us but why was it never truly put right until the sheikh came?
Lee never really either had the money to put in or, if he did, didn't want to put it in. The damage was largely far too deep by then. Bernstein was starting to pull it round but Keegan & Wardle did for him when it was starting to look good.

Wardle, despite putting money in and being a decent bloke, was a poor chairman and Mackintosh was only interested in himself. Our policy of paying low fees and high wages for largely washed-up players was counter-productive and didn't work.

Thaksin - well god only knows what his motives were.
 
One of the problems amongst many was we have been run for the past 30 years mostly by people who thought their own self importance was more important than the club itself.
There as been more bickering and arguements in the boadroom over the years at the club than there as been at all the family wedding discos in manchester combined.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Pam said:
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Peter Swales

But he eventually left and we were still pulling perpetual relegation and promotion shite. In fact, didn't we go into the old third division when Lee was involved or Bernstein had just taken over. I know Swales damaged us but why was it never truly put right until the sheikh came?
Lee never really either had the money to put in or, if he did, didn't want to put it in. The damage was largely far too deep by then. Bernstein was starting to pull it round but Keegan & Wardle did for him when it was starting to look good.

Wardle, despite putting money in and being a decent bloke, was a poor chairman and Mackintosh was only interested in himself. Our policy of paying low fees and high wages for largely washed-up players was counter-productive and didn't work.

Thaksin - well god only knows what his motives were.

Without Frank we wouldn't be where we are today

Swales bringing Alison back was the start of all things shite.
From that catastrophe and for all the managers Swales appointed, only two were good ones, Bond, who couldn't keep his trouser snake under control and Kendal who went back to his marriage and ended up in a bottle.
In between we had, John Benson, Billy McNeil, Jimmy Frizzell, Mel Machin, Peter Reid with his sidekick Sam "Bullyboy" Ellis and Brian Horton
Considering we are one of the largest clubs in England, that's a pretty shit list and which of those achieved anything at another club?
 
It was all down to a lack of foresight, it was a catalogue of incidents, the pushing out of the great joe mercer, the election of Peter swales as chairman,the failure to win the title again in the early seventies due to the dropping if wyn Davies, the horrendous injury to the great Colin bell, the return of Malcolm Allison in 1979, the demolition of that squad and replacing them with unproven players, the own goal which rescued tottenham in the fa cup, the enormous fee and wages of Trevor Francis, failure to hold onto a draw when should have been going for a win against Luton which relegated city. A football ground which looked like a blind architect had built it, spending millions on the kippax stand, the purchase of hundereds of substandard players, being reliant on a youth team that was just short of brilliant. It was all down to bad luck and foresight.
 
Plots and subplots unlimited, fact is the epic fail that has been Manchester City until recently is all down to one individual. One individual whose ego was nearly as big as his heels. This is the man who was responsible for the decisions that saw Joe Mercer leave, who sanctioned a lunatic transfer spree that endangered the club itself, that hired and fired managers to a degree that made Doug Ellis look positively saintly. The rot was that deep set that those who followed had no chance (until now), the hangers on and wasters that darkened the corridors of power at Maine Road all part of his 'jobs for the boys' club.

Take a bow PJS.

You twat.
 
mancunial said:
It was all down to a lack of foresight, it was a catalogue of incidents, the pushing out of the great joe mercer, the election of Peter swales as chairman,the failure to win the title again in the early seventies due to the dropping if wyn Davies, the horrendous injury to the great Colin bell, the return of Malcolm Allison in 1979, the demolition of that squad and replacing them with unproven players, the own goal which rescued tottenham in the fa cup, the enormous fee and wages of Trevor Francis, failure to hold onto a draw when should have been going for a win against Luton which relegated city. A football ground which looked like a blind architect had built it, spending millions on the kippax stand, the purchase of hundereds of substandard players, being reliant on a youth team that was just short of brilliant. It was all down to bad luck and foresight.
Not too far off the mark.
 

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