The Title Race - 2023/24

How many points will be needed to win the league?

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Psychedelic Casual said:
There’s no such thing as a Micky Mouse cup. It wasn’t a Micky Mouse cup when we won a joint record four in a row and six in eight years years, when we won an unprecedented domestic treble/quadruple with that as part of it and us proudly being the second most successful club in that competition.

Proper Rag malarkey calling the EFL Cup that, and belittles a number of our achievements.

It might not be as old or as famous as the FA Cup, but the EFL Cup is as big as any other domestic cup competition in other countries and has felt the same as winning the FA Cup whenever we’ve done it.

We’ve called all of our PL+EFLC joint wins ‘doubles’ when we’ve achieved that in 2013-14, 2018-19 and 2020-21. None of them are minor doubles, are they? We even had a line in a song saying it; ‘Sterling won the double, and the Scousers won fuck all’. And we proudly say that we were the first club in English football history to win a domestic and European trophy double when we won the League Cup and European Cup Winners’ Cup in 1969-70.

So we don’t have to be insecure and can call Liverpool’s 1983-84 First Division, European Cup and League Cup wins a treble n’all. It also dispels the myth that United were the first to win a treble.
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For the most part I completely agree. But I don’t think you can claim the EFL Cup is every bit as large as the other trophies. There is a hierarchy. But I certainly wouldn’t belittle it. There are four pots up for grabs (as far as I’m concerned, I do belittle The Community Shield). Winning any one of them is great.
In fact The Carabao Cup represents the difference between us and The Rags during their successes. They did treat it with some disdain whilst City / Pep openly state they want to win every trophy they can. Last season I watched West Ham United win a relatively new European trophy. I watched Bolton Wanderers win the League Trophy. Tell those fans their pot doesn’t matter. If Arsenal can celebrate winning The Community Shield like they did then I would suggest there’s a disconnect between what fans say and what they believe. Even I have to concede that maybe my downer on The Community Shield is that it’s a game we usually arrive undercooked for.
Of all City’s successes at the new Wembley, The Carabao Cup win over Sunderland is possibly my favourite.
 
Fourmidables said:
I think both Liverpool and Chelsea have had much better starts too. Winning 8/9 in a row.
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Had a quick look and you're right. The record for most wins at the start of a PL season is 9.

Teams that won the first 9 games:
Chelsea (2005/06)

Teams that won the first 8 games:
Chelsea (2005/06)
Liverpool (2019/20)

Teams that won their first 7 games:
Chelsea (2005/06)
Liverpool (2019/20)

Teams that won the first 6 games:
Newcastle (1994/95)
Chelsea (2005/06)
Chelsea (2009/10)
Manchester City (2016/17)
Liverpool (2018/19)
Liverpool (2019/20)
 
BamberBridgeBlue said:
For the most part I completely agree. But I don’t think you can claim the EFL Cup is every bit as large as the other trophies. There is a hierarchy. But I certainly wouldn’t belittle it. There are four pots up for grabs (as far as I’m concerned, I do belittle The Community Shield). Winning any one of them is great.
In fact The Carabao Cup represents the difference between us and The Rags during their successes. They did treat it with some disdain whilst City / Pep openly state they want to win every trophy they can. Last season I watched West Ham United win a relatively new European trophy. I watched Bolton Wanderers win the League Trophy. Tell those fans their pot doesn’t matter. If Arsenal can celebrate winning The Community Shield like they did then I would suggest there’s a disconnect between what fans say and what they believe. Even I have to concede that maybe my downer on The Community Shield is that it’s a game we usually arrive undercooked for.
Of all City’s successes at the new Wembley, The Carabao Cup win over Sunderland is possibly my favourite.
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The win against Watford for me.
 
David El Mago Silva said:
Had a quick look and you're right. The record for most wins at the start of a PL season is 9.

Teams that won the first 9 games:
Chelsea (2005/06)

Teams that won the first 8 games:
Chelsea (2005/06)
Liverpool (2019/20)

Teams that won their first 7 games:
Chelsea (2005/06)
Liverpool (2019/20)

Teams that won the first 6 games:
Newcastle (1994/95)
Chelsea (2005/06)
Chelsea (2009/10)
Manchester City (2016/17)
Liverpool (2018/19)
Liverpool (2019/20)
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So only the NU, MC and Lpool 18.19 didn't win it.

NU were nowhere in 95, I am surprised they started that well, wouldn't have guessed.
 
Worsleyweb said:
If we beat Forest next week. 18 points from first 6 games. We need 82 points from 32 games to be centurions again. 26 wins 4 draws 2 defeats. That looks more than possible again to me based on what I have seen so far this season.

Be amazed if we don’t get 90 points which would require 72 more. Let’s say 23 wins 3 draws and 6 defeats! That’s not happening. This team won’t lose 6 league games.
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Always say you don't know
 
Normally we would be be behind teams playing catch up after the new year and still win the league.

If we are ahead in January with KDB back they may as well just give up.
 
Mad that both Chelsea and United are out of the title race in September.

We'll have an idea of how serious this Liverpool team is before the next international break when they start their Thursday night/Sunday afternoon games against West Ham, Spurs and Brighton.

If we win everything, including away at Arsenal, in the same time frame then the rest of the league is going to be shitting them selves.
 
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Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
I think the scum won something like their first 10 games under Atkinson around about 1983 or so. Don't think they got anywhere near winning the league that season.
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That was 1985-86. They won their first 10 games and had 41 points after 15 games - a pace that had they maintained it would have given them around 115 points for a 42 game season. They then totalled 35 points from their last 27 games and finished in fourth place, 12 points behind champions Liverpool.
Atkinson was fired in the December of the following season.
 
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
I think the scum won something like their first 10 games under Atkinson around about 1983 or so. Don't think they got anywhere near winning the league that season.
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Yeah that was an awful couple of months, the hype around them was sickening. I think it was away at Luton where their run ended.
 
Next 5 league games (added other comps for context):
19th Sept - Crvena Zvezda (H) - CL
23rd Sept - Nottm Forest (H)
27th Sept - Newcastle United (A) - EFL Cup
30th Sept - Wolves (A)
4th Oct - RB Leipzig (A) - CL
8th Oct - Arsenal (A)
-----International Break----
21st Oct - Brighton (H)
25th Oct - Young Boys (A) - CL
29th Oct - United (A)

They look tougher, no reason we can't go 7 for 7 before Arsenal (A). If we beat Arsenal (A), we could break the spirit of the chasers early on going into the international break.
 
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