The unemployment fudge

[inbetween]

When zero hours were set up they intended for seasonal and casual labour and there was initially few thousand. Now they are in the millions and there intention is to avoid paying employee benefits such as holiday and sick pay. Some companies have changed there ways on rights but there are a number who haven't. When you have people like that **** Mike Ashley employing most of his staff on ZHC you know that someone is taking the piss.

People on zero hours contracts have the exact same rights and holiday entitlements as anyone else. There is a legal requirement to give people holidays based upon the hours they do regardless of the contracts they are on. With a full time contract you are just saying that person does 37 hours a week and that is how they calculate it. There is no actual difference in the contract though other than that.

If the hours aren't regular as with zero hours then holidays are accrued on a rolling average so if you average 48 hours a week you get paid/given the paid holidays for 48 hours a week. If you don't then the company is breaking the law.

With sick pay etc it doesn't matter, every company has to abide by the law or else they are breaking it. Zero hour contracts have the same minimum rights to sick pay or whatever the same a full time contract would. Employment law covers all employment and not just full time/part time contracts.

 

[Mike D]

You certainly have corbynitis, the ability to tell everyone what is wrong without any solutions. Please tell us what you think should be done about these evil ZHC contracts. I’ve been waiting weeks for the £10 min wage policy for small business. The envy crew haven’t got back yet. I am glad they’re giving it sufficient thought. It should be worth the wait.

They are not evil it was a Labour government that introduced them to deal with seasonal workers. It has only been over the last decade that they have been exploited by the likes of McDonalds, Amazon and Sports Direct and anyone who can't see that is plain ignorant or stupid. What needs to happen is that they need to be restricted back to what they were intended where there is a genuine necessity for ZHC to be used i.e. Fruit pickers, seasonal workers being example. The world has changed a lot since the ZHC was brought in some tinkering around the edges but not nearly enough. It is quite clear that this government doesn't have the appetite to deal with them why would they as the title of this thread it helps massage unemployment figures.

 

[Mike D]

Meanwhile Hammond has other people in his sights - Ashley can breathe easily

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45822650

Good to see that something is being done the likes of Uber, Deliveroo and Hermes having bein exploiting this for years.

 

[Mike D]

No, it doesn't count for the most obvious of reasons - because casual second jobs have existed since time immemorial. I've done extra hours like that, that doesn't make me reliant on ZHC.

As for the Guardian, I look forward to hearing all about their use of a tax exempt shell company based in the Cayman Islands to avoid corporation tax when they sold their stake in Autotrader, plus the Scott Trust's delightful investments in offshore trading companies to reduce their tax liability.

All perfectly legal, all massively hypocritical.

The ex PM and Chancellor were at it to and many many more/

 

[Henkeman]

The ex PM and Chancellor were at it to and many many more/

And the Guardian and their readers lambasted them for it. While at the same time not paying a single penny in corporation tax for their £300m sale. So what is it? Tax avoidance is ok, or it isn't?

 

[hilts]

They are not evil it was a Labour government that introduced them to deal with seasonal workers. It has only been over the last decade that they have been exploited by the likes of McDonalds, Amazon and Sports Direct and anyone who can't see that is plain ignorant or stupid. What needs to happen is that they need to be restricted back to what they were intended where there is a genuine necessity for ZHC to be used i.e. Fruit pickers, seasonal workers being example. The world has changed a lot since the ZHC was brought in some tinkering around the edges but not nearly enough. It is quite clear that this government doesn't have the appetite to deal with them why would they as the title of this thread it helps massage unemployment figures.

The question is still how

 

[inbetween]

They are not evil it was a Labour government that introduced them to deal with seasonal workers. It has only been over the last decade that they have been exploited by the likes of McDonalds, Amazon and Sports Direct and anyone who can't see that is plain ignorant or stupid. What needs to happen is that they need to be restricted back to what they were intended where there is a genuine necessity for ZHC to be used i.e. Fruit pickers, seasonal workers being example. The world has changed a lot since the ZHC was brought in some tinkering around the edges but not nearly enough. It is quite clear that this government doesn't have the appetite to deal with them why would they as the title of this thread it helps massage unemployment figures.

You have not explained how people are being exploited? I'd love to see evidence on how people specifically on zero hours contracts are being exploited specifically because they are on one?

The fact people are on a zero hours contract is very different to how an employer treats them because true exploitation can happen on any contract and it does! A Mcdonalds worker on a zero hour contract is absolutely no different to a Mcdonalds worker on a part time one beyond the removal of a prescribed number of working hours.

It isn't written in clause 1 of a zero hours contract "you agree to have no rights and we agree we can break the law". Even if it was.... What moron would sign up for it???

 

[bluethrunthru]

You have not explained how people are being exploited? I'd love to see evidence on how people specifically on zero hours contracts are being exploited specifically because they are on one?

The fact people are on a zero hours contract is very different to how an employer treats them because true exploitation can happen on any contract and it does! A Mcdonalds worker on a zero hour contract is absolutely no different to a Mcdonalds worker on a part time one beyond the removal of a prescribed number of working hours.

It isn't written in clause 1 of a zero hours contract "you agree to have no rights and we agree we can break the law". Even if it was.... What moron would sign up for it???

its highly likely that a part time contract and a zero hours contract is different at McDonalds and other employers. Those who sign up for it do so willingly - an act thats not necessarily a measure of intelligence though - or they may do so out of desperation or indeed be coerced to do so by the Job Centre - turn down work and you do lose your benefits too

https://fullfact.org/economy/facts-about-zero-hour-contracts/

 

[Mike D]

The question is still how

Bring in tighter regulation which stops them and impose significant fines for the perpetrators. It wouldn't take long to sort this mess out, with job centres on the case too.

 

[Mike D]

You have not explained how people are being exploited? I'd love to see evidence on how people specifically on zero hours contracts are being exploited specifically because they are on one?

The fact people are on a zero hours contract is very different to how an employer treats them because true exploitation can happen on any contract and it does! A Mcdonalds worker on a zero hour contract is absolutely no different to a Mcdonalds worker on a part time one beyond the removal of a prescribed number of working hours.

It isn't written in clause 1 of a zero hours contract "you agree to have no rights and we agree we can break the law". Even if it was.... What moron would sign up for it???

You really don't get it do you? Here's an article which sums up a lot and gives you an example to hang your hat https://www.theguardian.com/comment...tation-record-employment-low-wages-zero-hours

But lets say you are not a student which are obviously these people who are so blissfully happy on ZHC. Once upon a time back in the day not so long ago you could go to work and earn an honest days crust which paid you enough to live off eat feed, pay the bills and keep a roof over your head (you know this really did happen I am not making this up). Back then an employer employed you under a contract which gave you a set number of hours that enabled you do all these things.

Then came along the ZHC which not bad for everyone (unless you are a student then they are the dogs f*ckin doo dars) weren't so good for people with families kids, sick partners, parents to look after (these people do exist). The problem for them is that under ZHC they can do no longer plan it's literally hand to mouth and some landlords won't even entertain ZHC. Not so long ago there was a program on Dispatches there was a guy who had fell on hard times split up from his partner and living on the streets and in hostels when he could afford, at the same time he was working on a ZHC washing in public toilets. Defend this shit how ever mush you like but how the fuck is that not exploitation is beyond me!!

Not all ZHC people are morons some are forced to sign up by the dole office or face sanction or forced to because they have no other choice like the guy in the Dispatches.