Today's shooting in America thread

[Mr Kobayashi]

A couple of articles on the positive correlation that gun laws have on increasing police violence and killings by officers.

Police shootings are also part of America’s gun problem

A new Vox analysis finds a correlation between levels of gun ownership and killings by police officers.

www.vox.com

https://www.fastcompany.com/90517645/americas-gun-violence-epidemic-is-inextricably-linked-to-police-violence

America doesn't come out favourably in that list. The countries that are worse are often ridden with endemic drug trafficking led organised criminality, authoritarian systems of government or are other countries with lax gun laws.

Killings by law enforcement. Rates and counts by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TFC]

Saw an extremely disturbing video today of this incident -

3 dead in murder-suicide over snow removal dispute, prosecutors say

Jeffrey Spaide shot and killed his neighbors in Plains Township, Pennsylvania, over a snow removal dispute, prosecutors said.

www.google.com

Fuck knows how it came to be in the public domain and honestly wish I hadn't watched. Over snow ffs.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Saw an extremely disturbing video today of this incident -

3 dead in murder-suicide over snow removal dispute, prosecutors say

Jeffrey Spaide shot and killed his neighbors in Plains Township, Pennsylvania, over a snow removal dispute, prosecutors said.

www.google.com

Fuck knows how it came to be in the public domain and honestly wish I hadn't watched. Over snow ffs.

I've seen it, I think I've seen the suicide video also, that's even more disturbing

 

[TFC]

I've seen it, I think I've seen the suicide video also, that's even more disturbing

Jesus, the fella have cameras in his house?

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Jesus, the fella have cameras in his house?

It looks like either phone footage or camera, he basically blows his head off with what looks like the semi auto rifle he finished the other unfortunates with

 

[Bigga]

I have seen a couple of vids about this particular incident. Kurt Andras Reinhold has come from the alcohol store and has crossed a road. 2 officers are sat in a patrol car and witness this action. You will hear the discussion about it prior to the incident.

You will also see different angles of the incident and you can draw your own conclusions on why the police thought the end result was 'justified'.

Please note the original 'offence' is not actioned 98% of the time and the action is not viewed as lawful considering the end result.

 

[Scottyboi]

I have seen a couple of vids about this particular incident. Kurt Andras Reinhold has come from the alcohol store and has crossed a road. 2 officers are sat in a patrol car and witness this action. You will hear the discussion about it prior to the incident.

You will also see different angles of the incident and you can draw your own conclusions on why the police thought the end result was 'justified'.

Please note the original 'offence' is not actioned 98% of the time and the action is not viewed as lawful considering the end result.

Land of the free can't even cross the road however you want, honestly scumbags.

 

[mexico1970]

I have seen a couple of vids about this particular incident. Kurt Andras Reinhold has come from the alcohol store and has crossed a road. 2 officers are sat in a patrol car and witness this action. You will hear the discussion about it prior to the incident.

You will also see different angles of the incident and you can draw your own conclusions on why the police thought the end result was 'justified'.

Please note the original 'offence' is not actioned 98% of the time and the action is not viewed as lawful considering the end result.

The stock answer is that he resisted arrest, he should have complied but.... and this is a big but.

Being shot for crossing the road? What a miserable world we live in. If two coppers can't detain one person without keeping a close eye on their firearms during the process it's negligent to say the least.

I'd like to add a caveat to that though, I have some experience in subduing individuals who don't comply and in no confrontation have I ever thought about shooting the individual, although I am not an American copper so I can't speak for how they feel or mitigate the threats they face.

Sad loss of life whatever the moral decision you come to on this.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

The stock answer is that he resisted arrest, he should have complied but.... and this is a big but.

Being shot for crossing the road? What a miserable world we live in. If two coppers can't detain one person without keeping a close eye on their firearms during the process it's negligent to say the least.

I'd like to add a caveat to that though, I have some experience in subduing individuals who don't comply and in no confrontation have I ever thought about shooting the individual, although I am not an American copper so I can't speak for how they feel or mitigate the threats they face.

Sad loss of life whatever the moral decision you come to on this.

At no point was the guy who was shot under arrest. He was free to walk away at any point. The police officers escalated the situation, and someone is dead as a result.

 

[Bigga]

Wow, I didn't I could 'like' both the views above given!

There's truth in both PoV.

I will say, though, highlighting the deceased hand on the gun is pure gaslighting!

I saw that as an involuntary action when pinned down and looking for some stability.