Today's shooting in America thread

[ChicagoBlue]

Genuine question (don't know if it's been asked either), but why do you feel the need to have 3 lethal weapons in the house if it's only for the unlikely event of home invasion?

When you say 'home & concealed carry' does the license automatically come as stated or can you just have a 'home' license? If you can just get a 'home' license why the 'concealed carry' part?

3 guns:

1) Glock 23: .40 cal, 13 round, semi-automatic handgun that shot the same ammo as my service weapon. It was my first “home defence” personal firearm. Still shoot it at the range as I still have lots of govt issues .40 cal ammo!

2) Glock 19: 9mm, 15 round, Compact semi-automatic handgun that not only fires the ubiquitous 9mm (or 9x19, as they say in Europe), but is much cheaper to buy that .40 cal (10mm) ammunition. It’s the latest generation G19 and is ridiculously easy to shoot. I have tritium nightlights on it. Primary home defence weapon now. Not fired it for over a year, as I not only have less 9mm ammo, but it’s been very hard to find and buy.

(The G23 & G19 are basically the same gun in different calibers.)

3) Glock 43: 9mm. Slimline (vertical magazine vs stacked offset), subcompact 6 shot semi automatic. Fits in a concealed waistband holster. Light, easy to carry and conceal. Only shoot it at the range about every 3rd visit, just to feel it in my hand, as it’s about half the size of the 19. Very easy to shoot, but 6 shots sometimes feels like too few!

All states have their own laws. I live in Illinois, one of the least friendly gun states in America.

There is no licensing, per se, needed for home defence, but to legally buy a gun or ammo in IL, you need a Firearms Owners ID card (FOID Card). It’s also required to use a range, so it is, in effect, a license you get from the IL State Police.

For Concealed Carry, that means carry outside the home, in public places, but with the weapon hidden out of sight of others, you need to attend a training course, take a written and practical (shooting) test, and apply for the Permit. Again, it comes from the IL State Police.

Some states allow reciprocation. This means you can use one states licensing to carry in the other state. Some states are so liberal in their reciprocation that people seek their permits to enable them to carry in many more states.

For instance, you could legally carry in one state, drive across the state line into another state and be committing a crime just by having the concealed weapon without THAT state’s permit.

To avoid this, reciprocation is important, otherwise you would have to take off your gun and, in most states, make it a multi-stage process to have that gun available for use. As an example, in a locked box with the magazine out of the gun require a multi-step process to make that gun usable. It might be as simple as putting it in your glove box, and locking the glove box, or as complicated as locked in a box/safe out of reach, preferably in the trunk of the car.

Every state is different, so if you were driving across the country wearing a firearm, YOU need to know and understand the laws of each state through which you’re traveling….if you want to obey the law!

Clear as mud, huh?!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Except it is not a pistol by ordinary plain English or most technical terminology.

It is a gun designed to escape the remit of legislation designed to restrict and control the types of rifle Americans are allowed to own, but it is against the spirit of the laws.

Funny stuff! If only the spirit, and not the letter, was the standard, eh?! Then, we could have 350 million American interpretations of it!

Instead, we have 9 people who get to decide.

The question, of course, is why is there ANY length limit?

Sometimes, you just have to answer the simple questions and you realize how difficult legislation can be.

Take FFP, for instance! ;-)

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I can’t see the future, but my life is train, prepare, take action. That’s how I approached football, the business world, aviation, and it’s how I approach other things in life.

Accordingly, if anyone wants to come into my home and threaten us, even with a firearm, I’m ready, willing, and able to take my chances…which are much improved by my being trained, prepared and ready to take action.

Oh, and at age 23, with only a few hours of training under his belt, my son can also put a magazine of bullets in a soccer ball diameter from 25 feet. Therefore, if we have the time to open the safe, he can help protect us, too.

I’m no Doc Holliday, but I’d wager I’m a better, calmer shot than the average gangbanger looking to score some loot!

99% of able bodied people can be trained to do that with varying amounts of training. The difference being that very few people can do it when it matters, because that isn't something you can easily train for. The first time most people realise this is when it matters. This is why guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting or criminal assault than to be used to injure or kill in self-defence.

 

[mrbelfry]

Get a Glock
I'd get one if everyone else had guns

If I'm understanding right this is where @ChicagoBlue and @FogBlueInSanFran differ.

Foggy says if everyone needs one cos everyone has one then you need to get rid of them then no one needs one. You reset the scales. Who is best placed to start that process? Responsible gun owners.

Chicago says pew pew pew it ain't the responsible gun owners that are the problem. Get the crackheads to give theirs up first.

Foggy says because you're not the problem is what makes you the best people to give them up

Chicago then keeps inviting foggy to his cockpit and tries to get him drunk.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

If I'm understanding right this is where @ChicagoBlue and @FogBlueInSanFran differ.

Foggy says if everyone needs one cos everyone has one then you need to get rid of them then no one needs one. You reset the scales. Who is best placed to start that process? Responsible gun owners.

Chicago says pew pew pew it ain't the responsible gun owners that are the problem. Get the crackheads to give theirs up first.

Foggy says because you're not the problem is what makes you the best people to give them up

Chicago then keeps inviting foggy to his cockpit and tries to get him drunk.

Everyone considers themselves a responsible gun owner... right up the point their 5 year old gets their hands on a loaded weapon and shoots their 3 year old brother in the face.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Funny stuff! If only the spirit, and not the letter, was the standard, eh?! Then, we could have 350 million American interpretations of it!

Instead, we have 9 people who get to decide.

The question, of course, is why is there ANY length limit?

Sometimes, you just have to answer the simple questions and you realize how difficult legislation can be.

Take FFP, for instance! ;-)

You can't fire it effectively with one hand unless using a butt or a brace.

If your argument was that legislating for gun control in the USA is difficult because of competing interests and pushback against regulations then I think most people in this thread would accept and agree with you.

It’s still not a pistol though.

 

[Sir peace frog]

3 guns:

1) Glock 23: .40 cal, 13 round, semi-automatic handgun that shot the same ammo as my service weapon. It was my first “home defence” personal firearm. Still shoot it at the range as I still have lots of govt issues .40 cal ammo!

2) Glock 19: 9mm, 15 round, Compact semi-automatic handgun that not only fires the ubiquitous 9mm (or 9x19, as they say in Europe), but is much cheaper to buy that .40 cal (10mm) ammunition. It’s the latest generation G19 and is ridiculously easy to shoot. I have tritium nightlights on it. Primary home defence weapon now. Not fired it for over a year, as I not only have less 9mm ammo, but it’s been very hard to find and buy.

(The G23 & G19 are basically the same gun in different calibers.)

3) Glock 43: 9mm. Slimline (vertical magazine vs stacked offset), subcompact 6 shot semi automatic. Fits in a concealed waistband holster. Light, easy to carry and conceal. Only shoot it at the range about every 3rd visit, just to feel it in my hand, as it’s about half the size of the 19. Very easy to shoot, but 6 shots sometimes feels like too few!

All states have their own laws. I live in Illinois, one of the least friendly gun states in America.

There is no licensing, per se, needed for home defence, but to legally buy a gun or ammo in IL, you need a Firearms Owners ID card (FOID Card). It’s also required to use a range, so it is, in effect, a license you get from the IL State Police.

For Concealed Carry, that means carry outside the home, in public places, but with the weapon hidden out of sight of others, you need to attend a training course, take a written and practical (shooting) test, and apply for the Permit. Again, it comes from the IL State Police.

Some states allow reciprocation. This means you can use one states licensing to carry in the other state. Some states are so liberal in their reciprocation that people seek their permits to enable them to carry in many more states.

For instance, you could legally carry in one state, drive across the state line into another state and be committing a crime just by having the concealed weapon without THAT state’s permit.

To avoid this, reciprocation is important, otherwise you would have to take off your gun and, in most states, make it a multi-stage process to have that gun available for use. As an example, in a locked box with the magazine out of the gun require a multi-step process to make that gun usable. It might be as simple as putting it in your glove box, and locking the glove box, or as complicated as locked in a box/safe out of reach, preferably in the trunk of the car.

Every state is different, so if you were driving across the country wearing a firearm, YOU need to know and understand the laws of each state through which you’re traveling….if you want to obey the law!

Clear as mud, huh?!

might be a silly question, but do you have to have a yearly service on these weapons as you said you haven't used one of the guns in over a year ?

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

might be a silly question, but do you have to have a yearly service on these weapons as you said you haven't used one of the guns in over a year ?

'Responsible' gun owners generally keep their guns well maintained. In fact they often end up over cleaning them (scrubbing away protective coatings).

After every strip down/clean/rebuild you should carry out a function check of the weapon which includes checking the safety related parts (safety catch/safety sear, etc.). It's only really if there is any doubt as to the serviceability of the weapon that it would need to go away for service (unless the manufacturer advises otherwise).

A weapon which is stored for an extended period of time should be liberally oiled in line with the manufacturers recommendations which usually means liberally oiling the inside of the barrel to prevent corrosion. This should always be cleaned before firing.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Amazes me how American gun nuts go on about the 2A and the constitution as if it's sacred but a large proportion of the same people would have watched it burn to keep Trump in power.

 

[Centurions]

3 guns:

1) Glock 23: .40 cal, 13 round, semi-automatic handgun that shot the same ammo as my service weapon. It was my first “home defence” personal firearm. Still shoot it at the range as I still have lots of govt issues .40 cal ammo!

2) Glock 19: 9mm, 15 round, Compact semi-automatic handgun that not only fires the ubiquitous 9mm (or 9x19, as they say in Europe), but is much cheaper to buy that .40 cal (10mm) ammunition. It’s the latest generation G19 and is ridiculously easy to shoot. I have tritium nightlights on it. Primary home defence weapon now. Not fired it for over a year, as I not only have less 9mm ammo, but it’s been very hard to find and buy.

(The G23 & G19 are basically the same gun in different calibers.)

3) Glock 43: 9mm. Slimline (vertical magazine vs stacked offset), subcompact 6 shot semi automatic. Fits in a concealed waistband holster. Light, easy to carry and conceal. Only shoot it at the range about every 3rd visit, just to feel it in my hand, as it’s about half the size of the 19. Very easy to shoot, but 6 shots sometimes feels like too few!

All states have their own laws. I live in Illinois, one of the least friendly gun states in America.

There is no licensing, per se, needed for home defence, but to legally buy a gun or ammo in IL, you need a Firearms Owners ID card (FOID Card). It’s also required to use a range, so it is, in effect, a license you get from the IL State Police.

For Concealed Carry, that means carry outside the home, in public places, but with the weapon hidden out of sight of others, you need to attend a training course, take a written and practical (shooting) test, and apply for the Permit. Again, it comes from the IL State Police.

Some states allow reciprocation. This means you can use one states licensing to carry in the other state. Some states are so liberal in their reciprocation that people seek their permits to enable them to carry in many more states.

For instance, you could legally carry in one state, drive across the state line into another state and be committing a crime just by having the concealed weapon without THAT state’s permit.

To avoid this, reciprocation is important, otherwise you would have to take off your gun and, in most states, make it a multi-stage process to have that gun available for use. As an example, in a locked box with the magazine out of the gun require a multi-step process to make that gun usable. It might be as simple as putting it in your glove box, and locking the glove box, or as complicated as locked in a box/safe out of reach, preferably in the trunk of the car.

Every state is different, so if you were driving across the country wearing a firearm, YOU need to know and understand the laws of each state through which you’re traveling….if you want to obey the law!

Clear as mud, huh?!

You managed to not answer either of my two questions really.

Why have 3 weapons if it's purely for 'home defence'? Surely if 1 isn't sufficient then you're fucked anyway?

If only using at the range then I'd guess a lockbox is fine and wouldn't require a 'concealed carry' permit? Or is it still required in that instance?

 

[Gray]

Amazes me how American gun nuts go on about the 2A and the constitution as if it's sacred but a large proportion of the same people would have watched it burn to keep Trump in power.

Clinging to the 2nd Amendment ratified on the 15th December 1791, shows just how backward the country is.

The population in those days was 4 million (329.5m today), England's was 8 million.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

So having every single person in the country having the equavalent of 1.205 firearms in their possession fulfills that remit, does it?

About time they took a long hard look at the Constitution and brought it up to date, because frankly there is nothing well regulated regarding the use and ownership of weapons in that cesspit of a country.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Clinging to the 2nd Amendment ratified on the 15th December 1791, shows just how backward the country is.

The population in those days was 4 million (329.5m today), England's was 8 million.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

So having every single person in the country having the equavalent of 1.205 firearms in their possession fulfills that remit, does it?

About time they took a long hard look at the Constitution and brought it up to date, because frankly there is nothing well regulated regarding the use and ownership of weapons in that cesspit of a country.

Written when muskets were considered cutting edge technology, and a well trained individual could fire 3-4 shots per minute at best.

 

[Gray]

Written when muskets were considered cutting edge technology, and a well trained individual could fire 3-4 shots per minute at best.

 

[Sir peace frog]

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saw that on the news, that's actually a christmas card , WTF

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

saw that on the news, that's actually a christmas card , WTF

The grinning twat bottom left is holding an M-60 which is likely to be a semi-automatic conversion. ZERO use as a home defence weapon unless of course you are slaying zombies, but then given more than 1 in 10 Americans actually believe there is a small chance of a zombie apocalypse maybe he's not a dumb as he looks...

 

[Gray]

The grinning twat bottom left is holding an M-60 which is likely to be a semi-automatic conversion. ZERO use as a home defence weapon unless of course you are slaying zombies, but then given more than 1 in 10 Americans actually believe there is a small chance of a zombie apocalypse maybe he's not a dumb as he looks...

He believe it or not is the Congressman - what a country.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

He believe it or not is the Congressman - what a country.

Yup.

Surprisingly didn't receive any funding from gun lobbyists or the NRA. Just another average 2a nutter that appears to have lost all sense of decency.

 

[Grassland Blue]

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I wonder if those young ladies have ever fired one of those weapons..?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Yup.

Surprisingly didn't receive any funding from gun lobbyists or the NRA. Just another average 2a nutter that appears to have lost all sense of decency.

I object more to the horrible haircut on the one guy and the cheesy 'stache on the other guy.

They did, however, forget to arm the Xmas tree.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I object more to the horrible haircut on the one guy and the cheesy 'stache on the other guy.

They did, however, forget to arm the Xmas tree.

Maybe these for next years tree?