Tosin Adarabioyo

[domalino]

The Times today reckon we're optimistic about the outcome of the negotiations.


I believe he just wants to feel he'll get a chance, and any demands for a big contract would be in the belief that if you've got a first team contract then you're a first team player and you'll be treated accordingly. I can't imagine he's motivated by money as the clubs he's linked with certainly won't be paying big money to him.

If I was his agent I'd propose a 1 year contract with an automatic 3 year extension triggered by meeting X games next season.

If he doesn't get games next season, he'd walk, if he does, then he's got a long term contract.

I don't know how that kind of proposal would go down with the club, but given they are essentially the ones trying to persuade him to stay, he's got nothing to lose really. Thiago had a similar contract at Barcelona, signed in 2011, where he'd have a release clause of €20m if he didn't play X amount of games - that's another option.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I'm obvioulsy hoping this amicably resolves itself in our favour,as,other than the fact we get to keep hold of one of our most promising academy prospects in many a year,it may also be a wake up call for the club in regards to our current thinking where youth is concerned.

Use them or lose them.

 

[bulldogblue]

As this season is not panning out too well for the senior team in the league and the rebuild will not continue until the summer I see a massive opportunity for Pep to integrate a number of the Academy stars for the last few months of the season. I just hope that Tosin will still be here in order to be included.
What we must all remember however is that it is so so difficult for youth players to break through into the first team at any big club due to the pressures of success.

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

As this season is not panning out too well for the senior team in the league and the rebuild will not continue until the summer I see a massive opportunity for Pep to integrate a number of the Academy stars for the last few months of the season. I just hope that Tosin will still be here in order to be included.
What we must all remember however is that it is so so difficult for youth players to break through into the first team at any big club due to the pressures of success.

I really hope he stays with us as I feel he has real potential. Sadly he didn't get game time earlier in the season when we were struggling at the back and Kolarov was given his go at center half as that's when i think he could have made a bit of a name for himself and got a little bit established

 

[Centurions]

I'd be pretty dejected is someone as big as Everton wanted him, would reflect poorly on us.

I suspect right now he views being with us as a hindrance to his career and it's hard to argue against, leaving is better for his long term prospects.

Would be great to see him become the player we think he can be and return a few years down the line

I don't understand your first sentence at all, how would that reflect badly on us?

As Nev said earlier, if he went to Everton on a 4 or 5 year contract there's still no guarantee they'll play him and he could find himself loaned out to the lower leagues anyway. The thought that any PL club will take one of our 19 year olds and have him as a starter would be nonsensical.

Pep is not daft and if he's starting Kolorav at CB rather than Tosin right now then he'll have a very good reason. With 7 1st teamers out of contract this Summer I'd have thought it would be a bad time to think of leaving for any of the kids.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I really hope he stays with us as I feel he has real potential. Sadly he didn't get game time earlier in the season when we were struggling at the back and Kolarov was given his go at center half as that's when i think he could have made a bit of a name for himself and got a little bit established

Its probably also the trigger for this scenario and when he might have started putting the feelers out.

 

[MC ID]

I don't understand your first sentence at all, how would that reflect badly on us?

As Nev said earlier, if he went to Everton on a 4 or 5 year contract there's still no guarantee they'll play him and he could find himself loaned out to the lower leagues anyway. The thought that any PL club will take one of our 19 year olds and have him as a starter would be nonsensical.

Pep is not daft and if he's starting Kolorav at CB rather than Tosin right now then he'll have a very good reason. With 7 1st teamers out of contract this Summer I'd have thought it would be a bad time to think of leaving for any of the kids.

In my opinion if Everton where willing to take a chance on Tosin whilst we simply are not I think that certainly reflects poorly on our handling of youth players. An established Premier League club with a history of bringing up young players, one of which we incidentally got last year for over £40million, and others contributed to our 4-0 demise only recently, wanting to have our player presumably because they think he has what it takes to make it long term, looks bad when we've just stonewalled near every single young player who've shown any sort of form.

How can it when taken into context with our shit youth record be taken as anything other than a bad reflection on us. The fact is there is a very serious case to make that once you hit around 18 at Man City, you should bolt for the door as chances are you'll be wasting the next few years, and this would be yet another manifestation of this. It makes entire sense for Tosin, and others, to leave our club as we get to a stage where we hold them back and it is entirely nonsensical to stay at our club when around Europe you can see loads of our ex players doing well, very well in some cases and yet not one here.

No, Pep is not daft and nor was Pellers, but nor are the young players who are seeing their mates and themselves being overlooked every single year. Based on recent seasons of those 7 first teamers we will either sign new contracts or we'll buy new players, perhaps the latest young players who got a chance with their teams last year, little suggests as of yet we're going to see a first team policy change.

Now, I want to add to this - I fucking hope I'm utterly wrong and will willing allow myself to be mocked and be the first to say I was incorrect, but I've had little reason to hope. I also hope you can see where my opinion stems from, perhaps it's just been too long seeing good prospect after good prospect go nowhere and I've ended up with unfettered cynicism.

 

[Centurions]

In my opinion if Everton where willing to take a chance on Tosin whilst we simply are not I think that certainly reflects poorly on our handling of youth players. An established Premier League club with a history of bringing up young players, one of which we incidentally got last year for over £40million, and others contributed to our 4-0 demise only recently, wanting to have our player presumably because they think he has what it takes to make it long term, looks bad when we've just stonewalled near every single young player who've shown any sort of form.

How can it when taken into context with our shit youth record be taken as anything other than a bad reflection on us. The fact is there is a very serious case to make that once you hit around 18 at Man City, you should bolt for the door as chances are you'll be wasting the next few years, and this would be yet another manifestation of this. It makes entire sense for Tosin, and others, to leave our club as we get to a stage where we hold them back and it is entirely nonsensical to stay at our club when around Europe you can see loads of our ex players doing well, very well in some cases and yet not one here.

No, Pep is not daft and nor was Pellers, but nor are the young players who are seeing their mates and themselves being overlooked every single year. Based on recent seasons of those 7 first teamers we will either sign new contracts or we'll buy new players, perhaps the latest young players who got a chance with their teams last year, little suggests as of yet we're going to see a first team policy change.

Now, I want to add to this - I fucking hope I'm utterly wrong and will willing allow myself to be mocked and be the first to say I was incorrect, but I've had little reason to hope. I also hope you can see where my opinion stems from, perhaps it's just been too long seeing good prospect after good prospect go nowhere and I've ended up with unfettered cynicism.

If you mean Stones then they got him from Barnsley when he was 18 and he went straight into their U21's until exactly 1 year later (January 2014) when he started playing for the 1st team at 19.
Barkley was another who was sent out on loans and only started playing for the 1st team very late on in the 12/13 season when he was 19 too. Tosin as it happens is also 19 so I can't see why people were so quick to get him into the 1st team before this season. It's unfortunate that his contract is up this Summer (I think they'll sort it out myself) but if he went to Everton and they didn't thrust him straight into the starting line up would it still reflect badly on us or on Everton?

 

[teddykgb]

I'm not sure if Tosin needs to be the first example of this but I think in general we are going to have to get used to players coming through our academy and moving on. The allure of our academy being the facilities is great and it will create incentive for good players to come here to develop with the best at the best facility. This is surely a part of our pitch -- come here, learn from the best, play with the best, and when the time comes you can move on to any team in Europe having proven yourself in the Manchester City academy. I'd find it hard to begrudge them for taking advantage of our academy setup in this way, we get the first look and option on them and if they show serious talent they might push for a spot in our first team. The vast majority will not and the right move for them will be to go somewhere else to continue to climb the ladder.

 

[MC ID]

If you mean Stones then they got him from Barnsley when he was 18 and he went straight into their U21's until exactly 1 year later (January 2014) when he started playing for the 1st team at 19.
Barkley was another who was sent out on loans and only started playing for the 1st team very late on in the 12/13 season when he was 19 too. Tosin as it happens is also 19 so I can't see why people were so quick to get him into the 1st team before this season. It's unfortunate that his contract is up this Summer (I think they'll sort it out myself) but if he went to Everton and they didn't thrust him straight into the starting line up would it still reflect badly on us or on Everton?

I completely get your point, but we certainly seem to disagree so I'm happy to leave it at that.

Perhaps this is as much just my general frustrations at the lack of first team opportunities skewering my vision